Momentarily Comoving Reference Frame

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Momentarily Comoving Reference Frame (MCRF) in the context of relativity and its implications for understanding frames of reference, particularly in relation to tangent spaces and orthonormal bases. Participants explore the definitions and distinctions between various uses of the term "frame" in physics, including its application in semi-Riemannian geometry and general relativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines MCRF as an inertial frame that moves with an object, allowing questions in relativity to be addressed even when the frame is not inertial.
  • Another participant suggests that the term "frame" is often misused as a synonym for "coordinate system," which can lead to confusion regarding its technical meaning as a field of orthonormal vectors.
  • A later reply acknowledges the common misinterpretation of "frame" and discusses the relationship between "frame field" and "vector field," noting that the terms may be used interchangeably in some contexts.
  • Further contributions reference O'Neill's definitions, indicating that a "frame field" is an orthonormal basis field of tangent vectors and questioning whether the term "frame of reference" conflates the concepts of chart and frame.
  • One participant introduces the idea of an "observer field" as a specific type of vector field that describes a family of observers in spacetime, suggesting that this may also relate to the concept of reference frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate definitions and usages of "frame," with some agreeing on the technical definitions while others highlight common misuses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise distinctions and implications of these terms.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of "frame" and "coordinate system," as well as the potential conflation of concepts in the literature. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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MCRF -- Momentarily Comoving Reference Frame -- An inertial frame of reference which happens to be moving in the same direction, at the same speed, as an object or an accelerated frame which we're examining. Many questions in relativity can only be addressed in an inertial frame. In many cases, when the frame under consideration isn't inertial, such questions can still be addressed by considering the MCRF of the accelerated frame.

- http://www.physicsinsights.org/glossary.html

I'm often unsure whether people are using "frame" to mean a chart, or a basis field of tangent vectors, or a basis for an individual tangent space. Have I got this (more or less) right?

(1) A MCRF of a pointlike object is a function that assigns to each event p in the object's worldline an orthonormal basis for the corresponding tangent space, TpM, such that the timelike basis tangent vector E0|p is equal to the proper velocity of the object at that event. At each event, the choice of spacelike tangent vectors is arbitrary, so there's no unique choice of MCRF for a given worldline.

(2) A MCRF of a fluid is defined similarly but over a 4-dimensional region, with E0|p equal to the limit as V --> 0 of any function which outputs the average proper velocities of fluid particles in a suitably well-defined (to allow the necessary integration) set of events containing p and whose input is some measure V of the volume of that set.

(3) A MCRF of a chart x is a function which assigns an orthonormal basis to the tangent space at each event p in the chart's domain such that

E_0 |_p = \frac{\partial_0}{\sqrt{|g(\partial_0,\partial_0)|}},

supposing the chart induces one and only one timelike coordinate basis tangent vector at each point; otherwise I suppose there is no such family of MCRFs associated with the chart.
 
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Rasalhague said:
I'm often unsure whether people are using "frame" to mean a chart, or a basis field of tangent vectors, or a basis for an individual tangent space.
My understanding is that technically a frame is a field of orthonormal vectors at each point in the manifold:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_fields_in_general_relativity

So the correct usage is essentially your second one. However, (and I am particularly guilty of this), it is pretty common to mis-use "frame" as a synonym for "coordinate system", particularly in SR where the distinction is less important. So your first usage is incorrect but very common mis-usage. I have never seen someone use frame as a basis for a tangent space at a single point in the manifold.
 
Thank you, DaleSpam. I've been parsing "frame field" like "vector field"; that's what led me to imagine people sometimes meant a basis for the tangent space at a point. And, of course, the word "vector" is often used as short-hand for "vector field". But reading the Wikipedia article now, it seems like they really are using "frame" and "frame field" as synonyms.
 
Also relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_frame

In Semi-Riemannian Geometry, O'Neill defines a "frame field" as an orthonormal basis field of tangent vectors (he also sometimes calls it simply a "frame"). He defines a Lorentz (=inertial) coordinate system as a time preserving isometry from Minkowsi space (conceived as an affine space) to the corresponding vector space R41. A frame (field) determines a family of such charts by the exponential map; they're the normal charts each specified by the orthonormal basis at a point. I wonder if these are the "frames of reference" which Wikipedia: Proper frame mentions, as it explicitly defines "frame of reference" as a coordinate system, or perhaps that article is just conflating the concepts of chart and frame.
 
Ah, and here's more from O'Neill. It seems "field of reference" can also be used for a certain kind of vector field, rather than a chart:

"An observer field on an arbitrary spacetime M is a timelike, future-pointing, unit vector field U. Each integral curve of U is indeed an observer paramatrized by proper time. Thus U describes a family of U observers filling M. [...] (Observer fields are called reference frames in [SW], [...]"

([SW] = Sachs & Wu: General Relativity for Mathematicians.)
 
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