Momentum and springs - A2 Physics

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a train colliding with a spring buffer, requiring the calculation of the maximum compression of the spring based on the train's mass and initial velocity. The subject area pertains to momentum and energy conservation principles in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use momentum and spring stiffness to derive a solution, expressing uncertainty about the validity of their method. Some participants suggest alternative approaches involving energy conservation principles, while others affirm the correctness of the original poster's answer without checking the method.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the problem, with participants exploring different methods to arrive at the same numerical result. There is a recognition of the original poster's concerns regarding their approach, and some guidance is offered through alternative methods involving kinetic and potential energy relationships.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a feeling of uncertainty about their method and the assumptions made, indicating a potential disconnect with the expected approaches in the A2 syllabus.

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Homework Statement


A train of total mass 1.02x10^5 kg strikes a buffer that behaves like a spring of stiffness 320kN/m with an initial velocity of 0.15m/s
Calculate the maximum compression of the spring.


Homework Equations


P=mv


The Attempt at a Solution


P=mv
= 15300kgm/s

Units of spring stiffness so assumed Stiffness = F/d
P=Ft
F=P/t

so S=P/dt, v=d/t
t=d/v

so, S=Pv/d^2

d^2=Pv/s
d=sqrt (pv/s)
final solution:

sqrt ((1.53x10^4 * 0.15) / 320x10^3)

= 0.0847m compression.


Comments:
Unsure of the real answer, and this method is totally invented. - Nor does it appear to take into account the changing force with respect to distance. - Is there a simpler method I have not taken into account? - This much assumption seems very off compared to the rest of the A2 syllabus

Thanks,
Vanagib.
 
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The answer is correct. (Didn't check your method btw.)
 
Hi Vanagib,

i think you are right


another approach:

If the train is stopped by the spring, the hole kinetic energy of the train is saved in the spring, so

[tex]T = V[/tex]​
[tex]\frac{1}{2} m v^2 = \frac{1}{2} k x^2[/tex]​
[tex]x_{max} = \sqrt{\frac{m}{k}} \cdot v = 0.0847 m[/tex]​

with best regards!
 
That's the correct answer.

a simpler way to do this would to consider the Kinetic/Potential energy systems. The train has initial Kinetic energy found by .5mv^2, and when the train stops the buffer has all of that energy transformed into potential energy, which for a spring is .5kx^2. set the two equal, and simple algebra to solve for x.

but the way you did it is fine too.

edit: it seems as in typing this I've been beat to my explanation, and with Latex too!
 
Many thanks all :)
 

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