Spring and mass problem, compression, avg force, displacemnt

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 2kg box colliding with a spring, focusing on concepts of spring compression, average force, and the effects of friction on rebound distance.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and spring compression using the equation ½mv² = ½kx². There are questions about the average force calculation and the role of friction in the problem. Some participants express confusion regarding the correct application of formulas and the assumptions made about friction.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about friction and discussing the implications for the average force calculation. There is a recognition of the need to consider friction in the calculations, and some guidance is provided regarding the average force and its derivation from the force function.

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Friction values are introduced later in the problem, leading to assumptions of a frictionless scenario for the initial calculations. There is also a noted confusion regarding the application of the average force formula and its relation to the work done on the spring.

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Homework Statement


A 2kg box traveling at a velocity of 5 m/s hits a spring (k=100 N/cm). Find
a. How much the spring will compress
b. What is the average force on the spring
c. If the surface has μs = 0.15 and μk = 0.12, how far will the box rebound from the spring
d. If the surface is smooth, how far will the box rebound from the spring

Homework Equations


½mv2 = ½kx2
F=ma
s=v0t+½at2

The Attempt at a Solution


a. ½mv2 = ½kx2
½*2*52 = ½*100*x2*100 (to change to m)
0.005 = x2 --> x=7.07cm

b. Favg = ½mv2
---this doesn't seem right---

c. F=ma
0.12*2*9.81*a --> 2.3a
---What is my F?--- Do I use Faverage ? ---
Then s=v0t+½at2

d. With no friction, v=5m/s
 
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Steven2012 said:
b. Favg = ½mv2
---this doesn't seem right---
It isn't. What happened to friction?
 
Steven2012 said:
a. ½mv2 = ½kx2
½*2*52 = ½*100*x2*100 (to change to m)
0.005 = x2 --> x=7.07cm

You need to take into account friction when calculating the compression of the spring

Steven2012 said:
b. Favg = ½mv2

.5kx^2 represents the total force exerted on the block over the interval x. How do you do find the average value of a function over an interval?
Also, make sure to once again take into account friction.
 
A value for friction isn't introduced until "C". Therefore it is assumed as friction-less prior to this.
I know "A" is correct. It is easy enough. However, the solution I was given for "B" is Favg = (0+7.07+*100)/2 = 353.3N

This confuses me . I thought the equation should be Favg = ½mv2 But there isn't a sqr value.

What am i missing.

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For b) the force function is F=-kx. The integral of the function is (1/2)kx^2. They just used the force function instead of the work function to find the average force. Since the force function is linear the average force ends up being the fully compressed spring force divided by two.
c) The acceleration of the block is constant since the frictional force on it is constant, so you can use the constant acceleration equations to solve for the distance the block travels before stopping.
d) If there is no friction, then there is nothing to stop the block from just continuing to move at 5 m/s.
 
Thx!
 

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