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Homework Statement


Determine y2 (ft)and v2 (ft/s) using the momentum principle assume widths are the same at 1 and 2
Sketch of open channel flow over a sloped bed with a 1 in 1000 slope, cross sections 1 and 2 spaced 100 ft apart, depth 4.55 ft at section 1, and V1 = 8.55 ft/sec.

Homework Equations


from what i remember in my past fluids class, the momentum equation is:
Force = Qvout - Qvin assuming same density and direction

However in my lecture the professor provided another equation

Slide showing the open channel momentum equation: rho beta2 Q V2 minus rho beta1 Q V1 equals P1 minus P2 plus W sin theta minus Ff, followed by definitions of beta1 and beta2 as momentum coefficients, P1 and P2 as pressures, V1 and V2 as average velocities, Q as discharge, W as weight of water, theta as channel bed angle, and Ff as friction force.

but when i work out the units in this equation left side yields Force and right side is pressure (force/area)

did my professor forget to multiply each pressure with its respective Area? P1A1?


The Attempt at a Solution


using ##\rho####\beta##QV2 - ##\rho####\beta##QV1 = P1A1-P2A2
assume both ##\beta##'s = 1
assume width = 1
using continuity equation Q = V1A1 = V2A2 = (4.55)(1)(8.55)=y2(1)V2

##\rho##(4.55)(1)(8.55)(V2 - V1)= P1(4.55)(1)-P2y2(1)

##\rho##38.9(V2 - 8.55)= P14.55-P2y2

I am stuck
 
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  • Slide showing the open channel momentum equation: rho beta2 Q V2 minus rho beta1 Q V1 equals P1 minus P2 plus W sin theta minus Ff, followed by definitions of beta1 and beta2 as momentum coefficients, P1 and P2 as pressures, V1 and V2 as average velocities, Q as discharge, W as weight of water, theta as channel bed angle, and Ff as friction force.
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fayan77 said:

Homework Statement


Determine y2 (ft)and v2 (ft/s) using the momentum principle assume widths are the same at 1 and 2
View attachment 230419

Homework Equations


from what i remember in my past fluids class, the momentum equation is:
Force = Qvout - Qvin assuming same density and direction

However in my lecture the professor provided another equation

View attachment 230421
but when i work out the units in this equation left side yields Force and right side is pressure (force/area)

did my professor forget to multiply each pressure with its respective Area? P1A1?


The Attempt at a Solution


using ##\rho####\beta##QV2 - ##\rho####\beta##QV1 = P1A1-P2A2
assume both ##\beta##'s = 1
assume width = 1
using continuity equation Q = V1A1 = V2A2 = (4.55)(1)(8.55)=y2(1)V2

##\rho##(4.55)(1)(8.55)(V2 - V1)= P1(4.55)(1)-P2y2(1)

##\rho##38.9(V2 - 8.55)= P14.55-P2y2

I am stuck
You are correct about needing to get the pressures times the areas, but the pressure is varying with depth, so you need to integrate the pressure (which is hydrostatic in the y direction) over the area. Also note that, from the continuity equation, y2 is a function of v2.

What are you doing about the friction term?
 
Solved it, my professor's notes are filled with errors as he calls P1,P2 a pressure when really it is a Force, also he has some typos on the equations. Where I was confused was, I thought (from my fluid dynamics class) when we look at a controlled volume we immediately add forces on the cut which where (Pressure) X (Cross sectional Area) where as here we take the integral of ##\rho##gydA from 0 to h where dA = (width)dy

What is the difference?
 
fayan77 said:
Solved it, my professor's notes are filled with errors as he calls P1,P2 a pressure when really it is a Force, also he has some typos on the equations. Where I was confused was, I thought (from my fluid dynamics class) when we look at a controlled volume we immediately add forces on the cut which where (Pressure) X (Cross sectional Area) where as here we take the integral of ##\rho##gydA from 0 to h where dA = (width)dy

What is the difference?
What is what difference?
 
last semester, in a different course when we analyzed a controlled volume the pressure force was simply P X (Cross sectional Area).

Now we integrate with respect to depth geometry

Was it for simplicity's sake that we did P X A?
 
In the cases you looked at, the channel was closed, and there was no free surface, and the average pressure was much higher than the hydrostatic difference in pressure between the top of the channel and the bottom of the channel. Here, the pressure is zero at the top, and twice the average at the bottom.