Momentum Principle Related to Velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying the Momentum Principle to determine the speed of a satellite in a circular orbit around the Earth. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, particularly relating to momentum and circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the Momentum Principle and question its relevance, with some suggesting the use of Newton's second law instead. There is discussion about the relationship between momentum, force, and time, as well as the challenge of determining the satellite's velocity without knowing the time period of its orbit.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various interpretations and approaches. Some have provided guidance on expressing momentum in terms of known variables, while others have raised concerns about the lack of information regarding the time period of the satellite's orbit. A potential expression for the satellite's speed has been identified, indicating progress in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information regarding the time it takes for the satellite to complete one orbit, which is impacting the participants' ability to apply the Momentum Principle effectively. The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the resources available to the participants.

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Homework Statement



You will need to use the Momentum Principle to do the first part of this problem, and the Energy Principle to do the second part.

A satellite of mass 2500 kg orbits the Earth in a circular orbit of radius of 8.3 106 m (this is above the Earth's atmosphere).The mass of the Earth is 6.0 1024 kg.
What is the speed of the satellite?
I have the 2nd part of the problem, so all I need is the momentum principle


Homework Equations



Pfinal = Pinitial + Fnet*DeltaT
GMm/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to start this one. The directions say that I'm supposed to use the momentum principle, but I'm not given the speed of the satellite. I was thinking maybe the derivative form of the momentum principle and find the perpendicular component of dP/dT, but I'm not sure how long it takes for the satellite to go around th earth. I'm completely stuck.
 
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I have no idea what you mean by the "momentum principle". If you mean conservation of momentum, I don't see how that is relevant.

Instead, apply Newton's 2nd law to the satellite, recognizing that its motion is circular.
 
By momentum principle I mean DeltaP = Fnet*DeltaT
 
OK, I see. Your initial thought was correct: Use F = dP/dt. (Note that this is another way of stating Newton's 2nd law.)

Use what you know (or should know) about circular motion to evaluate d(mv)/dt = m dv/dt.
 
Here's the problem I have with using dP/dt: In order to find the velocity, or the change in momentum, I need to know the time it takes for one rotation around the earth...that's why I didn't use that formula in the first place. v = dr/dt, but again, I don't have dt.
 
Call the speed "v" and express dP/dt in terms of it (along with other known variables).
 
v= dr/dt I can find dr because I know the radius of orbit, but I have no way of finding dt.
 
You can express the period (if you need it) in terms of v, since you know the radius of the orbit.
 
I don't understand how you can express the period in terms of v if you don't know the time.
 
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Ok, I figured out the problem.

v = sqrt(G*Mearth/r)
 
  • #11
Excellent.
 

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