Momentum problem -- The collision of two particles with different masses

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The discussion revolves around a momentum problem involving a collision between two particles of different masses, where one particle is initially at rest. The original poster seeks clarification on the application of conservation of momentum in the y-direction rather than the x-direction and questions the validity of their approach to the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind using the y-direction for momentum conservation and explores alternative methods for solving the problem. They express uncertainty about their own equations and seek further clarification on momentum concepts.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the conservation of momentum in both x and y directions. There is a recognition of the vector nature of momentum and its implications for the problem, although no consensus has been reached on the original poster's approach.

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The original poster mentions having a solution but struggles with understanding the reasoning behind it. There is an indication of confusion regarding the equations they derived and the overall grasp of momentum and collision concepts.

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So I have this practice problem with the solution, but I don't understand how:

"A particle of mass m1 and speed v1 in the +x direction collides with another particle of mass m2. Mass m2 is at rest before the collision occurs, thus v2 = 0. After the collision, the particles have velocities v'1 and v'2 . in the xy plane with directions θ1 and θ2 with the x-axis as shown below. There are no external forces acting on the system. Express all of your answers in terms of m1, m2, v1, θ1 and θ2.

Q:What is the ratio of the speeds v'2/v'1 ?"

The answer goes like this:

"Conservation of momentum in the y direction: m1v'1 sin θ1 = m2v'2sin θ2
and by solving for ratio we get:

m1sinθ1/m2sinθ2"

Why did we choose the conservation in the y not the x direction?
Can this problem be solved any other way?

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The Attempt at a Solution



When I first attempted the problem, I thought of solving it like this:
v1'=v1'(sqrt[(cos(θ1)+sin(θ1))^2])
v2'=v2'(sqrt[(cos(θ2)+sin(θ2))^2])
And since momentum is conserved,
m1v1=m1v1'(sqrt[(cos(θ1)+sin(θ1))^2])+m2v2'(sqrt[(cos(θ2)+sin(θ2))^2])

But this feels wrong, and I don't know what's with it.
Please feel free to correct me and give me more info about momentum and collision if needed, I understand it but I don't feel like having a full grasp of the concept.
 
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A.MHF said:
When I first attempted the problem, I thought of solving it like this:
v1'=v1'(sqrt[(cos(θ1)+sin(θ1))^2])
v2'=v2'(sqrt[(cos(θ2)+sin(θ2))^2])
I don't understand how you got these equations?
 
With no external forces acting the momentum of a system is conserved. Thus the momentum of the system after the collision must be identical to the momentum before the collision.

Momentum is a vector quantity (magnitude and direction). It is conserved separately in both x and y directions and in total. That means if the initial momentum had no y-component (as in this problem), the final momentum must also have no y-component when you sum up the contributions from all the moving parts. Similarly, the final momenta in the x-direction must sum to what it was before the collision.

The given solution for determining the ratio of the speeds V2'/V1' took advantage of the fact that the total momentum in the y-direction happens to be zero.
 
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paisiello2 said:
I don't understand how you got these equations?

Sorry ignore that, I realized I wasn't thinking correctly.
 

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