Most Commonly Mispronounced Mathematicians

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The discussion revolves around the common mispronunciations of mathematicians' names, highlighting the differences between Anglicized versions and their original pronunciations. Participants suggest that many English speakers struggle with names like "Erdos," which is often mispronounced as "err-dose," and "Descartes," which should be closer to "Dehhh-Kah-Hrt." The conversation also touches on the challenges of transliterating names from languages with different phonetic systems, such as Hindi and French, leading to variations in pronunciation. Additionally, names like "Chandrasekhar" and "Lebesgue" are noted for their complexity, with participants sharing personal experiences of mispronunciation. The thread emphasizes the importance of recognizing and approximating original pronunciations to aid understanding among younger math students.
  • #31
Cauchy

Pronounced "ko-she", not "couch-e"
 
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  • #33
Fredrik said:
I don't know, but if "Euclid" is Latin, does that mean that we should pronounce it the way Julius Ceasar did? :smile:

Euclid is Greek. Personally I pronounce it "yoo-clid".

P.S: Today, Julius Caesar's name is not pronounced how it was in Roman times as it was spelt Iulius Caesar. The Romans had no "j", they used an "I" in consonant form and the "ae" was pronounced as "eye" not "aye" or "ee".
 
  • #34
L4xord said:
P.S: Today, Julius Caesar's name is not pronounced how it was in Roman times as it was spelt Iulius Caesar. The Romans had no "j", they used an "I" in consonant form and the "ae" was pronounced as "eye" not "aye" or "ee".

Is that like in the Indiana Jones and the last crusade movie, where Indy falls through the tiled walkway cause he forgot that Jehovah starts with an I?:redface:

Euclid is Greek. Personally I pronounce it "yoo-clid".

I think everyone pretty much knows how to pronounce Euclid these days. If they didn't, then this guy might not have sold so many books, because no one would have laughed at the play on words, and would have just moved on to the next book.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1416588280/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
  • #35
In Germany, Euclid (here: "Euklid") starts like "Oil", similar to Euler. As the original name is Greek, I think different languages found different ways to pronounce it.

strangerep said:
Any non-Europeans here know how to pronounce "Wouthuysen"?
(As in the Foldy–Wouthuysen transformation)
Dutch pronunciation can be tricky, even for Europeans.
 
  • #37
Since this thread is expanding from maths to physics guys, let's not forget famous computer scientists...

I've thinking in particular of "Bjarne Stroustrup" (creator of C++). Even after I heard him pronounce it for me several times, I still couldn't quite make my non-Danish speech organs reproduce it accurately... :smile:
 
  • #38
That one needs a link: http://www.stroustrup.com/pronounciation.wav

I think an English speaker who just says "Byarna Strostrup" is getting close enough. It's not a complete butchering of the the name. So it's hardly worth the effort to try to get it right. I know that I'd rather have English speakers say "Frederick" than try to say http://translate.google.se/#sv/en/Fredrik and have it come out "Fyee-jerk" or something like that.

Danish is a fun language for us Swedes. The words are pretty much the same, but it's very hard to understand what they're saying because of the pronunciation. It's like a maximally distorted version of Swedish. Norwegian on the other hand, is more like a humorous interpretation of Swedish, it's like listening to Indians speaking English. They probably feel that way about us too.

A couple of weeks ago I saw Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Danish) talking to a Swedish and a Norwegian guy on TV. They all spoke in their native languages, and they all seemed to understand each other. When NCW spoke, I wasn't able to understand enough that I would have been able to answer his questions, but then I'm one of those people who sometimes have difficulties understanding Skånska, the dialect spoken in the south of Sweden.
 
  • #39
Descartes is pronounced Day-ca-rrrrrr-t.

The ''r'' seems to be the toughest sound for english speakers.
 
  • #40
Your name sounds like a character from Final Fantasy xD. But me being Indian, I have it really bad. I had to go through 18 years of school with people pronouncing my name in every possible wrong way and I would be too embarrassed to actually correct them lol. Thankfully in college, professors don't really make it their duty to learn names :). Honestly I've heard my name mispronounced so much that I don't even know myself what it should sound like anymore. So the pronunciation here: http://translate.google.com/#de/fr/Venkatesh I don't even know if its right or wrong anymore after 18 years of this :[
 
  • #41
Venkatesh? Why is that hard to pronounce?
 
  • #42
reenmachine said:
Venkatesh? Why is that hard to pronounce?
Idk go ask my secondary education teachers :frown:
 
  • #43
WannabeNewton said:
Did you try a few different languages and found that the German one pronounced your name the best? The French one is hilarious, Vinka-yeutsh.
 
  • #44
Fredrik said:
Did you try a few different languages and found that the German one pronounced your name the best? The French one is hilarious, Vinka-yeutsh.

I'm a french speaker and without ever hearing that name I would pronounce it

Venn - ka - tesh

I see no reason to change venn for vinn and tesh for yeutsh.This is confusing , why a y here instead of t? Makes no sense to change a t into a y in french unless its the real pronunciation in the foreign language.
 
  • #45
WBN: Don't feel bad , I'm pretty sure 80-90% of english speakers wouldn't be able to pronounce my name neither.

The ''r'' sound is pretty much a deal breaker.
 
  • #46
DiracPool said:
Is that like in the Indiana Jones and the last crusade movie, where Indy falls through the tiled walkway cause he forgot that Jehovah starts with an I?:redface:

Indeed it is. The Latin translation is IEHOVA
 
  • #47
WannabeNewton said:
Honestly I've heard my name mispronounced so much that I don't even know myself what it should sound like anymore. So the pronunciation here: http://translate.google.com/#de/fr/Venkatesh I don't even know if its right or wrong anymore after 18 years of this :[

Fredrik said:
Did you try a few different languages and found that the German one pronounced your name the best? The French one is hilarious, Vinka-yeutsh.

This one is closer to the correct pronunciation:

http://translate.google.com/#de/fr/venkataysh
 
  • #48
strangerep said:
Any non-Europeans here know how to pronounce "Wouthuysen"?
(As in the Foldy–Wouthuysen transformation)

Wah-toy-sen (or wo-toy-sen?)
 
  • #49
So how do you pronounce Banach?
 
  • #50
I think it's between banana and Johann Sebastian Bach.
 
  • #52
Cthugha said:
...

I have a hard time with the "Ct..." starting when I first read H P Lovecraft stories. So, how do you pronounce Cthugha?
 
  • #53
gmax137 said:
I have a hard time with the "Ct..." starting when I first read H P Lovecraft stories. So, how do you pronounce Cthugha?

Actually using a lot of sneezing powder helps. Use a lot of it and listen to the sound that accompanies the sneezing: voila, this will be about the right pronounciation. ;)

Showing some more nerd credibility, I once read an annotated version of one of Lovecraft's books (annotated versions of pulp horror stories - welcome to modern literature research) claiming that in one of his letters Lovecraft stated "Cthulhu" should be pronounced "Khlûl'-hloo". I suppose Cthugha should be somewhat similar. On the other hand, nobody pronounces it like that, so I do not really know to pronounce all that stuff correctly.

If we have some biologist from California present in these forums, he might be able to help. Their job might force them to say these words sometimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimoa_cthulhu
 
  • #55
Poisson is not a name I've heard pronounced correctly very often.
 
  • #56
Dembadon said:
Poisson is not a name I've heard pronounced correctly very often.

is Pwa-soh(n) correct?
 
  • #57
hsetennis said:
is Pwa-soh(n) correct?

Yep! It makes me think of the crazy chef in Disney's The Little Mermaid. :biggrin:
 
  • #58
Endre Szemerédi
 

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