Most likely location of a particle versus expected value of

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The discussion revolves around a question from Griffiths' introductory textbook on quantum mechanics, specifically concerning the relationship between the most likely position of a particle and its expected value as derived from a wave function. Participants are exploring the nuances of probability distributions in this context.

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  • Participants are questioning the distinction between the most likely position (mode) and the expected value (mean) of a particle's position. They discuss examples from probability theory, including normal and multimodal distributions, to illustrate their points.

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There is an active exploration of the concepts involved, with participants providing examples and clarifications regarding the definitions of mode and mean. Some have acknowledged their own misunderstandings, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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Participants reference specific answers from a solutions manual, raising questions about their validity and the implications of quantum mechanics on expected values and possible outcomes.

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Hello. I'm using Griffiths' introductory textbook on quantum mechanics, which I have just begun, and have arrived at a question on a simple wave function:

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The answer to the first question I know to be √(3/b).

The answer to part e is (2a + b) / 4.

My problem is that I don't understand how there is any difference between the most likely position of the particle on the X axis and its expected value, given above for part e.

I have checked the solution manual and its its answer to part c was just 'a', which was my initial instinct, because the graph reaches its maximum at a. But this seems to me to be contrary to the notion of an expected value which, among other things, in a probability context should be the most likely value.

Has the solutions manual got it wrong, or have I?
 

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In the case of a normal distribution, the most probable value is the same as the expectation value, but this is not the case for most distributions.

If you look at the Wikipedia page on multimodal distribution, you will see figures where this is obvious: when you have two humps more or less symmetrical, the most probable value will be at the top of one of the bumps but the expectation value near the middle of the two bumps.

(Note: by definition, the most probable value is the value where the probability distribution is the highest.)
 
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Prometheus18 said:
Hello. I'm using Griffiths' introductory textbook on quantum mechanics, which I have just begun, and have arrived at a question on a simple wave function:

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The answer to the first question I know to be √(3/b).

The answer to part e is (2a + b) / 4.

My problem is that I don't understand how there is any difference between the most likely position of the particle on the X axis and its expected value, given above for part e.

I have checked the solution manual and its its answer to part c was just 'a', which was my initial instinct, because the graph reaches its maximum at a. But this seems to me to be contrary to the notion of an expected value which, among other things, in a probability context should be the most likely value.

Has the solutions manual got it wrong, or have I?

In general, the expected value is the mean (or average) and the most likely is called the mode. As a simple example, the expected value of the roll of a die is 3.5, although all values from 1-6 are equally likely. And, of course, you can't actually ever throw a 3.5. Sometimes, therefore, the expected value is not a possible or valid outcome.
 
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PeroK said:
Sometimes, therefore, the expected value is not a possible or valid outcome.
Good point. This can be the case in quantum mechanics, where you for instance have spin-1/2 in states such that ##\langle S_z \rangle = 0## or ##\langle S_z \rangle = -\hbar/4##, while you can only ever measure ##\hat{S}_z## as ##\hbar/2## or ##-\hbar/2##.
 
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Yes, thanks both of you. I've just been having a slightly dull morning; I should know the difference between a mode and mean by now!
 
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