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The discussion revolves around finding the most probable value of a random variable ##X## given an observation of ##Z = 3##, where ##Z = X + Y## and both ##X## and ##Y## are independent normally distributed random variables. The participants explore the implications of this setup and the nature of probability density functions in continuous distributions.

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  • Participants discuss the independence of ##X## and ##Y## and how this affects the distribution of ##Z##. There is an exploration of the concept of maximum likelihood estimation and the relationship between conditional expectations and the most probable values. Some participants question the interpretation of probabilities in continuous distributions, particularly regarding the density function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the properties of conditional expectations and the nature of probability density functions. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of working with continuous distributions where the probability of exact values is zero, leading to discussions about the meaning of "most probable value" in this context.

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Suppose I have observed ##Z = 3##, where ##Z = X + Y##, where ##X \sim N(0,9), Y \sim N(0,4)##. How would I find the most probable value of ##X## that would have given me ##Z = 3##?

My attempt at a solution: I was given that ##X## and ##Y## are independent, so that means ##Z \sim N(0+0, 9+4) = N(0,13)##. To find the most probable value of ##X##, we would have to find the highest possible probability of ##Z##. But ##Z## is not discrete, so every probability at each point is 0, which means the highest probability of ##Z## is 0. Not sure what I would do after this, so I took a different direction.

Now I'm trying to find ##E(X|Z=3)## because I would think the mean is the best measure for the "most probable value of X". We have,

##E(X|Z=3) = E(X|X+Y=3)##. At this point, are there properties for conditional expectation involving independent random variables to answer this? I tried to find some but wasn't able to. Any help is appreciated.
 
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Karnage1993 said:
But Z is not discrete, so every probability at each point is 0
Yes, but you can still look at the probability density function.

The expectation value does not have to be the most probable value.
 
My first instinct is to say that the most likely value of y is 0, so x, having larger standard deviation would be more likely to be 3. However, ##p(x=3 \cap y=0) =.033##. Slightly higher values of y will likely optimize this function.
in general p(xy)=p(x)*p(y). The probability of a discrete value is not zero.
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RUber said:
Slightly higher values of y will likely optimize this function.
Good catch!
The probability of a discrete value is not zero.
I think it's better to say that the probability density function is not zero. The probability of any single exact number is zero.
 
Karnage1993 said:
Suppose I have observed ##Z = 3##, where ##Z = X + Y##, where ##X \sim N(0,9), Y \sim N(0,4)##. How would I find the most probable value of ##X## that would have given me ##Z = 3##?

My attempt at a solution: I was given that ##X## and ##Y## are independent, so that means ##Z \sim N(0+0, 9+4) = N(0,13)##. To find the most probable value of ##X##, we would have to find the highest possible probability of ##Z##. But ##Z## is not discrete, so every probability at each point is 0, which means the highest probability of ##Z## is 0. Not sure what I would do after this, so I took a different direction.

Now I'm trying to find ##E(X|Z=3)## because I would think the mean is the best measure for the "most probable value of X". We have,

##E(X|Z=3) = E(X|X+Y=3)##. At this point, are there properties for conditional expectation involving independent random variables to answer this? I tried to find some but wasn't able to. Any help is appreciated.

Look at
f(x|z) \equiv \lim_{\Delta x \to 0, \Delta z \to 0} P(x &lt; X &lt; x + \Delta x\,| z &lt; Z &lt; z + \Delta z)\\<br /> = \lim_{\Delta x \to 0, \Delta z \to 0} \frac{P(x &lt; X &lt; x + \Delta x \: \cap \: z &lt; Z &lt; z + \Delta z)}{P(z &lt; Z &lt; z + \Delta z)}
For ##z = 3## this will give you
c \, f_X(x) f_Y(3-x)
where ##c## is a normalization constant. For what value of ##x## would that be maximized?
 

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