Motion of a rocket with propellant exhaust gas speed = constant

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a rocket with a constant propellant exhaust gas speed. Participants are exploring the implications of exhaust velocity and its relation to the rocket's speed relative to Earth after launch.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the calculation of the rocket's speed relative to Earth, questioning whether the phrasing of the problem is misleading or if it requires specific consideration of reference frames.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations regarding the reference frame for measuring speed. Some participants have provided clarifications about the nature of exhaust velocity and its relation to the rocket's motion, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note that the rocket's mass is relatively small, which may influence their understanding of the problem's context. There is also mention of specific values used in calculations, which may be subject to further verification.

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Homework Statement
The propellant gas flows out of a rocket with an initial mass of M = 650g at a constant speed of u0 = 200m / s. The consumption of the gas is μ = 200g / s. What is the speed of the rocket relative to Earth t = 1 second after launch?
Relevant Equations
$$ V = u0 * ln \frac M m0 $$
Now this is how I've tried to solve this

$$ v_e = u0 \cdot ln \frac {M} {M- μ \cdot t} $$

After putting in the values I get this;

$$ v_e = 200 * ln 0,36 $$
$$ v_e = 73,54 \frac m s $$

Now I'd say that this is the correct way to do it, but this part is confusing me "What is the speed of the rocket relative to Earth t = 1 second after launch?" This applies to every speed, because every speed is relative to the earth. Is this just an trick too put us off, or something worth considering within the paramets and calculations itself?

Thank you in advance!
 
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arhzz said:
"What is the speed of the rocket relative to Earth t = 1 second after launch?" This applies to every speed, because every speed is relative to the earth. Is this just an trick too put us off, or something worth considering within the paramets and calculations itself?

Thank you in advance!
Not all speeds are measured relative to the Earth. It seems quite natural to say "relative to the Earth" here. It's certainly not a trick.

PS If the rocket is only ##650g## then that is a very small rocket. I guess it's supposed to be a firework.
 
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The 200 m/s exhaust velocity of the gas is relative to the rocket. The problem wants to make sure you understand that you shouldn't follow suit and give the final velocity of the rocket relative to itself which is, of course, zero.
 
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arhzz said:
$$ v_e = 200 * ln 0,36 $$

.. every speed is relative to the earth.
I think you mean $$ v_e = 200 *\ ln (650/450)=200*0,36 $$

Not every speed is relative to earth. Perhaps you mean that you would have assumed relative to Earth without needing it to be stated?
 
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haruspex said:
I think you mean $$ v_e = 200 *\ ln (650/450)=200*0,36 $$

Not every speed is relative to earth. Perhaps you mean that you would have assumed relative to Earth without needing it to be stated?
Yes, I would have assumed relative to Earth without the statement, but all of your answers were of great help, thank you! And yes you are right, it is ln(650/450)
 
PeroK said:
Not all speeds are measured relative to the Earth. It seems quite natural to say "relative to the Earth" here. It's certainly not a trick.

PS If the rocket is only ##650g## then that is a very small rocket. I guess it's supposed to be a firework.
I see, and yes it was very small rocket shown to us in class.
 
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kuruman said:
The 200 m/s exhaust velocity of the gas is relative to the rocket. The problem wants to make sure you understand that you shouldn't follow suit and give the final velocity of the rocket relative to itself which is, of course, zero.
I see, thank you!
 

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