Motion of particle changing forces

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a particle subjected to a force directed towards a specific point, analyzing how this affects its trajectory and whether a mathematical equation can be derived to describe the motion. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to forces and motion in a non-circular path.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the centripetal force for uniform circular motion is given by mv^2/r and suggests that if the applied force exceeds or is less than this value, the particle will move closer to or further from the center, respectively.
  • Another participant asks if the original poster can express the forces acting on the particle in vector form or as two separate equations, indicating a potential path forward through integration.
  • A different participant expresses difficulty in deriving a differential equation due to the non-circular path and the dependence of forces on angular displacement.
  • One participant proposes using Lagrangian mechanics, suggesting the formulation of kinetic and potential energies in polar coordinates to derive the equations of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the equations of motion, with multiple competing views on how to tackle the problem, including integration and Lagrangian mechanics.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of the differential equation, and participants acknowledge the complexity introduced by the non-circular path of the particle.

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I've got a question and can't find any answer on google.

So the centripetal force for a particle in uniform circular motion is mv^2/r. This also means that if F > mv^2/r than the particle will get closer to the center and if F < mv^2/r than it will travel further from the center.

Say a 5 kg object at point (0,5) on cartesian plane with initial speed of 10 ms-1 and direction parallel to x-axis, a force of 35 N directed towards point (0,0) acts on the object. It no longer follows a circular path. So is it possible to get a equation that shows the motion of the object? Note the force is towards specific point (0,0) no matter where the object is.
 
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Yes.

Do you know how to integrate?

If the mass has mass m and is at point (x,y), can you write down the force in the x direction and force in the y direction? As a vector if you know about vectors, or two equations if you don't?

Note that I haven't worked through this. We may end up with an integral we can't do.
 
I tried this method before.

However the problem is that the path is not a circle so it is difficult when working with the angular displacement about the point (0,0) because the force in x and y depends on it.

I think we should end up with a differential equation that can't be solved in terms of elementary functions but I fail to even derive it.
 
Pcmath said:
Say a 5 kg object at point (0,5) on cartesian plane with initial speed of 10 ms-1 and direction parallel to x-axis, a force of 35 N directed towards point (0,0) acts on the object. It no longer follows a circular path. So is it possible to get a equation that shows the motion of the object?
You will want to approach this problem with Lagrangian mechanics. Simply write down expressions for the kinetic and potential energies in polar coordinates. Then use the standard methods of Lagrangian mechanics to get the equations of motion

The potential energy is ##V=fr ## and the kinetic energy is ##T=\frac{1}{2}m(\dot r^2 + r^2 \dot \theta^2 )##. Everything else is entirely algorithmic to get the equations of motion
 
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