Multiplying Series for e^x and ln(1-x/5)

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The discussion revolves around finding the first three terms of the product of the series for e^x and ln(1 - x/5) using multiplication of series, specifically Taylor series.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the multiplication of power series and question the validity of the formula used for combining series. There are attempts to clarify the process of polynomial multiplication in the context of infinite series.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the series multiplication process, while others are exploring different interpretations of the terms involved. There is no explicit consensus on the final terms, as various results have been presented.

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Participants mention potential errors in their calculations and the need for careful consideration of indices during the multiplication process. There is also reference to the use of attached documents for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


Find the first three terms using multiplication of series:
[tex]e^{x}*ln(1-\frac{x}{5})[/tex]

Homework Equations


Knowledge of Taylor Series

The Attempt at a Solution


Please see the attached pdf (when it gets cleared).

Now, I know that polynomial multiplication is to be used with series... So, this is probably an error in the actual multiplication. Since I've found the series for ln(1-x/5) using the power series definition as well as the maclaurin series definition.

I've been staring at this for the past hour and I really can't see where the mistake is.

The answer that I came up with is:
[tex]-\frac{x}{5}-\frac{11x^{2}}{50}-\frac{3x^{3}}{25}[/tex]
NastyAccident
 

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So, the product of the sum of two power series A and B, with coefficients a_n, b_n in X is given by Sum from 0 to infinity of c_n x, where c_n is defined as follows (or really c_n is as follows just by multiplying it out)

c_n = sum from 0 to n of (a_p)*(b_n-p). Why would that be true? (I'm sure you recognize this is as the definition of the product of two polynomials. Why does this definition still hold when we have an infinite series (That is, why does it still make sense.)

Using this you should be able to easily compute these terms.
 
Quantumpencil said:
So, the product of the sum of two power series A and B, with coefficients a_n, b_n in X is given by Sum from 0 to infinity of c_n x, where c_n is defined as follows (or really c_n is as follows just by multiplying it out)

c_n = sum from 0 to n of (a_p)*(b_n-p). Why would that be true? (I'm sure you recognize this is as the definition of the product of two polynomials. Why does this definition still hold when we have an infinite series (That is, why does it still make sense.)

Using this you should be able to easily compute these terms.

So, in essence:
[tex][\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\left(a_{n}*x^{n}\right)][\sum^{\infty}_{p=0}\left(b_{p}*x^{p}\right)][/tex]

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\left(\sum^{\infty}_{p=0}b_{p}*x^{p}\right)a_{n}*x^{n}[/tex]

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=0}\left(\sum^{\infty}_{p=0}a_{n}b_{p}*x^{p+n}\right)[/tex]

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{q=0}\left(\sum^{\infty}_{n+p=q}a_{n}b_{p}\right)*x^{q}[/tex]

Thus, for my series:

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{q=0}\left(\sum^{\infty}_{n+p=q}\frac{1}{5^{n+1}}\frac{1}{p!}\right)*x^{q+1}[/tex]

So, I should have the following terms:

-x/5-x^2/(5*1*(1!))-x^2/(5^2*2*(0!))-x^3/(5^2*2*(2!))-x^3/(5^3*3*(1!))

-x/5 - 11x^2/50 - 19x^3/1500



NastyAccident.
 
The formula is correct, however, I just forgot to have n = 0 while p = 2, r = 2

So, in reality it is:
-x/5-x^2/(5*1*(1!))-x^2/(5^2*2*(0!))-x^3/(5^2*2*(1!))-x^3/(5^3*3*(0!))-x^3/(5^1*1*(2!))

Which simplifies to -x/5-11x^2/50-46x^3/375

Thanks!
NastyAccident
 
NastyAccident said:

Homework Statement


Find the first three terms using multiplication of series:
[tex]e^{x}*ln(1-\frac{x}{5})[/tex]

Homework Equations


Knowledge of Taylor Series

The Attempt at a Solution


Please see the attached pdf (when it gets cleared).

Now, I know that polynomial multiplication is to be used with series... So, this is probably an error in the actual multiplication. Since I've found the series for ln(1-x/5) using the power series definition as well as the maclaurin series definition.

I've been staring at this for the past hour and I really can't see where the mistake is.

The answer that I came up with is:
[tex]-\frac{x}{5}-\frac{11x^{2}}{50}-\frac{3x^{3}}{25}[/tex]



NastyAccident

The answer I get is:
(-1/5)x -(11/50)x^2 - (46/375)x^3 -(29/625)x^4

please let me know if it still matters for you

best regards
 

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