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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of function operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the Baker–Campbell–Hausdorff (BCH) formula and its implications for the multiplication of exponential operators. Participants explore the Taylor expansion of operators, the non-commutativity of operators, and the conditions under which certain identities hold.

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  • One participant references Zettili’s work on the Taylor expansion of operators and expresses confusion about deriving specific identities involving exponential operators.
  • Another participant suggests using distribution to multiply the series expansions of the operators, noting the importance of non-commutativity in matrix multiplication.
  • A participant identifies the discussion as a special case of the Baker–Campbell–Hausdorff formula and requests proof for the identities in question.
  • Further elaboration on the conditions required for the second formula to hold, specifically that certain commutators must vanish.
  • Participants discuss the implications of these conditions in the context of quantum field theory and the construction of field operators using creation and annihilation operators.
  • Some participants express frustration with the complexity of the mathematics involved and question their own understanding of the material.
  • There are mentions of alternative proofs and resources for the BCH formula, indicating a variety of approaches to the problem.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the mathematical derivations and conditions necessary for the identities discussed. There is no consensus on the ease of deriving the formulas or the implications of the conditions required for their validity.

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Participants note that the second formula only holds under specific conditions related to the commutation of operators, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion highlights the complexity of the mathematical framework and the assumptions involved in applying the BCH formula.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in operator theory, the Baker–Campbell–Hausdorff formula, and the mathematical foundations of quantum field theory.

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I’m having trouble working out how ##e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} = e^{\hat A + \hat B} e^{[\hat A , ~ \hat B ]/2}##
I am reading Zettili’s “Quantum Mechanics: Concepts and Applications” and I am in the section on functions of operators. It starts with how ##F(\hat A)## can be Taylor expanded and gives the particular and familiar example: $$e^{a \hat A} = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{a^n}{n!} \hat A^n \tag{2.109}$$ Later it says how if ##[\hat A , ~ \hat B] \neq 0## then ##e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} \neq e^{\hat A + \hat B}##. Then here’s where I am having trouble: It says, “using (2.109) we can ascertain that $$e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} = e^{\hat A + \hat B} e^{[\hat A , ~ \hat B ]/2},\\
e^{\hat A} \hat B e^{- \hat A} = \hat B + [\hat A , ~ \hat B] + \frac{1}{2!} [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ \hat B ]] + \frac{1}{3!} [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ \hat B ]]] + \cdots”$$ I guess I am not a savvy enough mathematician to figure out how they got either of these from eq. 2.109. Can someone help me out?
 
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It isn't very funny to do, but at least the first couple of terms can be calculated: Just use distribution and multiply the sums:
$$
\left( 1+A +\dfrac{1}{2}A^2+\dfrac{1}{6}A^3 +\ldots \right)\cdot \left( 1+B +\dfrac{1}{2}B^2+\dfrac{1}{6}B^3 +\ldots \right) = \ldots
$$
and compare it to the right hand side. Just do not forget that matrix multiplication isn't commutative, so ##AB## is different from ##BA## and e.g. ##(A+B)^2= A^2+AB+BA+B^2##.
 
Pencilvester said:
Summary: I’m having trouble working out how ##e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} = e^{\hat A + \hat B} e^{[\hat A , ~ \hat B ]/2}##

I am reading Zettili’s “Quantum Mechanics: Concepts and Applications” and I am in the section on functions of operators. It starts with how ##F(\hat A)## can be Taylor expanded and gives the particular and familiar example: $$e^{a \hat A} = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{a^n}{n!} \hat A^n \tag{2.109}$$ Later it says how if ##[\hat A , ~ \hat B] \neq 0## then ##e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} \neq e^{\hat A + \hat B}##. Then here’s where I am having trouble: It says, “using (2.109) we can ascertain that $$e^{\hat A} e^{\hat B} = e^{\hat A + \hat B} e^{[\hat A , ~ \hat B ]/2},\\
e^{\hat A} \hat B e^{- \hat A} = \hat B + [\hat A , ~ \hat B] + \frac{1}{2!} [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ \hat B ]] + \frac{1}{3!} [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ [\hat A , ~ \hat B ]]] + \cdots”$$ I guess I am not a savvy enough mathematician to figure out how they got either of these from eq. 2.109. Can someone help me out?
Using (2.109) you get
$$\mathrm{d}_a \exp(a \hat{A})=\hat{A} \exp(a \hat{A})=\exp(a \hat{A}) \hat{A}.$$
Now define
$$\hat{F}(a)=\exp(a \hat{A}) \hat{B} \exp(-a \hat{A}).$$
We (formally) expand ##\hat{F}## in a power series
$$\hat{F}(a)=\hat{F}(0)+a \hat{F}'(0) +\frac{a^2}{2} \hat{F}''(0)+...$$
We have ##\hat{F}(0)=\hat{B}##,
$$\hat{F}'(a)=\exp(a \hat{A}) [\hat{A},\hat{B}] \exp(-a \hat{A}).$$
Now use this formula again, but instead of ##\hat{B}## for ##[\hat{A},\hat{B}]##, which leads to
$$\hat{F}''(a)=\exp(a \hat{A})[\hat{A}, [\hat{A},\hat{B}]] \exp(-a \hat{A}).$$
It's easy to see that the ##j##-th derivative is
$$\hat{F}^{(j)}(a)=\exp(a \hat{A}) [\hat{A},\hat{B}]_j \exp(-a \hat{A}),$$
where
$$[\hat{A},\hat{B}]_{j}=[\underbrace{\hat{A},[\hat{A},\ldots}_{j \quad \text{times}},B].$$
Setting ##a=0## in the power series, you get the 2nd formula you have trouble with.

The 2nd formula only holds if
$$[\hat{A},[\hat{A},\hat{B}]]=[\hat{B},[\hat{A},\hat{B}]]=0, \qquad (*)$$
To show this, we define
$$\hat{F}(a)=\exp[a(\hat{A}+\hat{B})].$$
The same series expansion technique together with the assumption (*) yields
$$\hat{F}(a) \hat{A} \hat{F}^{-1}(a)=\hat{A} + a [\hat{A}+\hat{B},\hat{A}]=\hat{A}+a [\hat{B},\hat{A}].$$
From this we get
$$\hat{F}(a) \hat{A}=\hat{A} \hat{F}(a) - a [\hat{A},\hat{B}]\hat{F}(a).$$
On the other hand with this we have
$$\mathrm{d}_a \hat{F}(a) = \hat{F}(a)(\hat{A}+\hat{B}) =\hat{F}(a) \hat{B} + \hat{A} \hat{F}(a)-a [\hat{A},\hat{B}]\hat{F}(a).$$
Taking into account again (*) it's easy to show that this differential equation is solved by
$$\hat{F}(a)=\exp(a \hat{A}) \exp(a \hat{B}) \exp \left (-\frac{a^2}{2} [\hat{A},\hat{B}] \right).$$
Setting ##a=1## gives
$$\hat{F}(1)=\exp(\hat{A}+\hat{B}) = \exp(\hat{A}) \exp(\hat{B}) \exp \left (-\frac{1}{2} [\hat{A},\hat{B}] \right).$$
Again, it's important to keep in mind that this holds only, if (*) is fulfilled. Nevertheless the formula is of some use in applications.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It isn't very funny to do, but at least the first couple of terms can be calculated: Just use distribution and multiply the sums:
$$
\left( 1+A +\dfrac{1}{2}A^2+\dfrac{1}{6}A^3 +\ldots \right)\cdot \left( 1+B +\dfrac{1}{2}B^2+\dfrac{1}{6}B^3 +\ldots \right) = \ldots
$$
and compare it to the right hand side.
You’re right, this is not at all very fun to do, but I began doing it, and I’m running into a problem. If you start to expand ##e^{A+B}e^{[A, ~ B]/2}## you get $$(1+A+B+ \cdots + \frac{1}{6} A^2B + \cdots )(1+ \frac{1}{2} AB + \cdots )$$Which gives us ##\frac{2}{3} A^2B + \cdots## but the expansion of ##e^A e^B## says we should only have ##\frac{1}{2} A^2B##. What am I screwing up?
 
I don't know what happens with the additional condition that ##[A,[A,B]]=[B,[B,A]]=0## has to hold, see post #4.

You can find the complete CBH formula here where the other twelfth can be found:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/lie-algebras-a-walkthrough-the-representations/
or if you don't like the proof in post #4, maybe you like this one (also with the additional conditions on commutativity of the higher order terms):
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/commutator-identity.966227/#post-6133835
 
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vanhees71 said:
The 2nd formula only holds if
$$[\hat{A},[\hat{A},\hat{B}]]=[\hat{B},[\hat{A},\hat{B}]]=0, \qquad (*)$$
...
Taking into account again (*) it's easy to show that this differential equation is solved by
$$\hat{F}(a)=\exp(a \hat{A}) \exp(a \hat{B}) \exp \left (-\frac{a^2}{2} [\hat{A},\hat{B}] \right).$$
Wow. Okay, if Zettili intended his readers to work all that out just from eq. 2.109, then my math skills must be far from where they should be to study this book. Thanks for the explanation though!
 
Hm, I don't think one gets this without knowing this (or perhaps another) simpler trick :-)).
 
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vanhees71 said:
The 2nd formula only holds if
[^A,[^A,^B]]=[^B,[^A,^B]]=0,(∗)​
Is this premise valid for the use of this special form of the BCH in QFT when constructing field operators expanding in terms creation and annihilation operators?
 
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In which context do you need it? Sometimes it's also sufficient to just use the series for the general case up to the first few terms (e.g., in the derivation of the path-integral expression for the generating functional for Green's functions etc.).
 
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vanhees71 said:
In which context do you need it? Sometimes it's also sufficient to just use the series for the general case up to the first few terms (e.g., in the derivation of the path-integral expression for the generating functional for Green's functions etc.).
In the context of field operator construction with annihilation and creation operators. The conmutator of these(-I) commutes with either one (creation or annihilation) operator so it seems to obey (*) in your post and in the same was is done in the free fields construction.
 
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