Multivariable analog to the total derivative?

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The discussion centers around finding a multivariable analog to the total derivative, particularly in the context of calculus of variations and integrals over three-dimensional volumes. Participants explore how to express relationships similar to those in single-variable calculus, specifically regarding the dependence of integrals on boundary values rather than interior values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral formulation in three dimensions and questions what replaces the total derivative in the context of multivariable actions.
  • Another participant clarifies the terminology, distinguishing between antiderivatives and total derivatives, and explains the total differential for functions of multiple variables.
  • A third participant suggests that the generalized Stokes theorem may be relevant to the discussion.
  • Another participant mentions the Jacobian as a potential analog in multivariable analysis.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate analogs and terminology related to total derivatives in multivariable contexts. No consensus is reached on a singular answer or approach.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of total derivatives and the applicability of the generalized Stokes theorem remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which these analogs hold.

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For a single variable we have

[tex]\int_{x_1}^{x_2} f(x) dx = F(x_2)-F(x_1)[/tex]

if f(x) = dF/dx. f(x) is then a total derivative. What is the analog in 3D so that

[tex]\int_V f(\vec{x}) d^3x[/tex]

does not depend on the values of f in the interior of V?

In case there is not a single answer, let me give the context. In the calculus of variations two Lagrangians are equivalent if

[tex]L_2(q(t),\dot{q}(t),t)=\lambda L_1(q(t),\dot{q}(t),t) + \frac{d}{dt}F(q(t),\dot{q}(t),t)[/tex]

where lambda is a constant and F is any function. (That is, their actions are extremized for the same function q(t).) What replaces dF/dt in this equivalency if we have a multi-parameter action

[tex]S=\int L(q(\vec{x}),\partial q(\vec{x}),\vec{x}) d^3x[/tex]

(where [tex]\partial q[/tex] stands for the various partial derivatives of q)?


Is it [tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{F}[/tex] for some vector function F? Or is there more to it than that?
 
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I think you have your terminology wrong. In your first example F is an antiderivative of f and f is the derivative of F.

The total derivative refers to a function of two or more variables, for example f(x, y). The total differential of f in this case is
[tex]df = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}~dx + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}~dy[/tex]

If it turns out that x and y are differentiable functions of t, then the total derivative of f looks like this:
[tex]\frac{df}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}~\frac{dx}{dt} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}~\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]
 
Thanks to both .
 
Thanks, Studiot
 

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