Multivariable Chain Rule Question

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The discussion revolves around applying the multivariable chain rule to the function f(x,y) = x/y, particularly after substituting x and y with polar coordinates r and θ. The original poster attempts to derive the partial derivative ∂f/∂x using the chain rule but encounters difficulties in the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster outlines their attempt to use the chain rule for partial derivatives but questions the correctness of their substitutions and derivatives. Some participants suggest reviewing the conditions under which partial derivatives are taken, specifically the need to hold certain variables constant.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing feedback on the application of the chain rule and the assumptions made during the differentiation process. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the relationships between the variables involved.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the use of multiple expressions for r in terms of x and y, which may be contributing to their difficulties in applying the chain rule correctly.

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Homework Statement
Show that the result obtained can be done directly via the chain rule for partial derivatives.
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Chain rule for partial derivatives
For context, we have an equation f(x,y) = \frac{x}{y} and we had used the substitutions x = r \cos\theta and y = r \sin\theta. In the previous parts of the question, we have shown the following result:
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \cos\theta \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\Big) - \frac{\sin\theta}{r} \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\Big)

Now we have been asked to get to this result directly using the chain rule for partial derivatives.
My attempt: the chain rule states that:
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\Big) \Big(\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}\Big) + \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\Big) \Big(\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}\Big)

This is where I seem to have gone wrong, and I would appreciate any insight as to why that may have been the case. The answers have used r^2 = x^2 + y^2 and \tan\theta = \frac{y}{x} and have gone on to the answer. I, however, just used the substitution above x = r\cos\theta, but this doesn't seem to lead us in the right direction. Showing my method, we get \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} = \frac{1}{cos\theta} and \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x} = \frac{-1}{r\sin\theta}. Substituting into the above chain rule yields:

\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\Big) \Big(\frac{1}{cos\theta} \Big) + \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}\Big) \Big(\frac{-1}{r\sin\theta}\Big). I am not sure I can see any clever way to get us to the right answer from here.

Looking back, I think the fact that I had two expressions for r in terms of x and y could have been part of the problem. However, I cannot seem to put an exact reason as to why that would be the case.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Please show your work in taking the derivatives.

Note that generally
$$
\frac{\partial f}{\partial g} \neq \frac{1}{\frac{\partial g}{\partial f}}.
$$
 
Orodruin said:
Please show your work in taking the derivatives.

Note that generally
$$
\frac{\partial f}{\partial g} \neq \frac{1}{\frac{\partial g}{\partial f}}.
$$

Thank you for your fast response. So my working was as follows:
r = \frac{x}{cos\theta} -------> \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} = \frac{1}{\cos\theta}
and for the theta/r relationship:
\cos\theta = \frac{x}{r} -------> \frac{\partial}{\partial x} (\cos\theta) = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \Big(\frac{x}{r}\Big)
\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} (\cos\theta) \Big(\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}\Big) = \frac{1}{r}\
\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x} = \frac{-1}{r\sin\theta}
 
Master1022 said:
Thank you for your fast response. So my working was as follows:
r = \frac{x}{cos\theta} -------> \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} = \frac{1}{\cos\theta}
This is incorrect. When you are taking the partial derivative with respect to x, you are keeping y constant, not ##\theta##. Similar arguments for the other partial derivative.
 
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Orodruin said:
This is incorrect. When you are taking the partial derivative with respect to x, you are keeping y constant, not ##\theta##. Similar arguments for the other partial derivative.
Ahh yes, that makes sense. Many thanks for helping me out!
 

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