Multiwire Proportional-Chamber doesn't work

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced in operating a Multiwire Proportional Chamber designed for detecting cosmic muons at sea level. Participants explore various technical aspects, configurations, and potential solutions to improve the chamber's performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup, including the materials and gas mixture used, and notes the absence of voltage pulses despite applying a voltage of 2.5 kV.
  • Another participant suggests testing the chamber with a known beta or gamma source and mentions that the required voltage may depend on the geometry of the chamber.
  • A participant confirms testing with a gamma source but reports no signal, attributing the issue to electric background noise and questioning the circuit diagram and measurement configuration.
  • One participant proposes changing the distance between the anode and cathode and mentions the possibility of applying a higher voltage if the distance is increased.
  • A later reply shares success in detecting muons, noting the characteristics of the measured impulses and their increase with a radioactive source and reduced screening.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of the chamber's design and configuration, with some suggesting modifications while others share successful detection of muons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal setup and configuration for consistent results.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on the specific geometry of the chamber, the effectiveness of the measurement configuration, and the influence of background noise on signal detection.

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Hi there,

I bulit a kind of Multiwire Proportional Chamber in my Institute to detect cosmic muons on sea level. The chamber consists of Plexiglas and contains a double capacitor. The cathodes are two copper plates and in-between the plates the anode which is a grid of wires. The distance between the anode to one of the cathode plates is 10mm, the distance between the wires is 2mm. I worked with a silver coated copper wire with a diameter of 0.1mm. The chamber is airthigt, and filled with a gas mixture of 90% Ar and 10% CO2, the pressure is 1 bar (100000 Pa).

I calculated the whole event, with the Energy transformation of the muons to Ionisation of the gas (Bethe-Bloch-Equation), the number electron/ion pairs produced, the amplification in the proportional range. I calculated a voltage puls, that I should measure, of more then 10 V with an impressed voltage of 2.5 kV.

The Problem: I impressed a voltage up to 2.5 kV with no result of any voltage puls.

What should I do now? Should I raise the voltage until there is a discharge? Should I change the distance between anode and kathode? or what else?

Thank you for your help.
 
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Has one tested the chamber with a known beta or gamma source?

I think 2.5 kV should be enough, but would depend on the geometry.

Compare one's design with - http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1742-6596/18/1/011/jpconf5_18_011.pdf?request-id=tCit3xln3BGjno4U3Ai7Kg.


Make sure the impedances are properly matched among cables and instruments, particularly with the detector cable and preamp.
 
I tested the chamber with a gamma source, but there was still no signal. The electric background noise is bigger than the signal. I made sure the that the impedances are properly matched. The one problem that could be is the circuit diagramm, and the way we are trying to measure the signal...do you know any proper ways of a configuration from any other measurements?

I atatched two pictures of the detector and the configuration.

I could change the distancde between the plate and the wire to about 1cm, if necessary. With a distance of 10cm I could impress a voltage up to 5okV.

What could I do else?
 

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Finally caught the muons!

Hi there,

I finally measured the muons. I can measure 2 microsec long and 0.4 V high Impulses which get more by a factor of 3.5 with a radioactive Source. The as well get more with less screening.

If anybody is interested, contact me for more information.
 

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