Mutual inductance of a long wire and a triangular loop?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the mutual inductance between a long straight wire and an isosceles triangular loop. The user derives the magnetic flux through the loop using the formula for magnetic flux density and attempts to integrate to find total flux. The calculations lead to a final expression for mutual inductance, which is approximately 6.1 nH for a triangular loop with a base of 10 cm. The user also inquires about the effect of increasing the base of the triangle to 20 cm on the mutual inductance. The conversation highlights the complexity of integrating the derived expressions and the need for clarity in the derivation process.
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I originally posted this to the advanced homework -section, but maybe this isn't advanced enough to warrant being posted there :oops:. If a mod sees this, feel free to delete the original on the other forum. I'd do it myself, but I can't. 1. Homework Statement
Calculate the mutual inductance for the long, straight conductor and a conducting loop shaped like an isosceles triangle in the picture below, when a = 10cm.
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Homework Equations



Mutual inductance: M = \frac{N_1\phi _1}{I_2} = \frac{N_2\phi _2}{I_1}

Magnetic flux: \phi = BA, where B is the magnetic flux density through a loop and A the area of the loop.

Magnetic flux density for a long straight wire(Ampere): B=\mu H = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi R}, where R is the orthogonal distance from the wire.

The Attempt at a Solution



In order to calculate M, I need to find out the total flux through the triangular loop. We already know the expression for B, however dA is a bit of a mystery.

Looking at the picture, if at a distance r from the vertex of the triangle we mark:
\begin{cases}
\text{Height of top half of triangle} = y(r)\\
\text{Distance from the vertex} = r
\end{cases}
Then by similarity:
<br /> \frac{1/2 a}{a} = \frac{y(r)}{r} \iff y(r) = \frac{r}{2}<br />
and if we slice the triangle into small slices with height 2y and width dr:
<br /> dA=2ydr = r dr<br />
Now d\phi = d(B(r)A(r)) = B(r)dA(r)

Therefore
\begin{array}{ll}
d\phi
&= \frac{\mu I r dr}{2 \pi (a+r)}\\
&= \frac{\mu I r dr}{2r \pi (\frac{a}{r}+1)}\\
&= \frac{\mu I dr}{2 \pi (\frac{a}{r}+1)}\\
&= \frac{\mu I dr}{2 \pi (\frac{a}{r}+1)}\\
&= \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi }\frac{dr}{(\frac{a}{r}+1)}
\end{array}
Looking at this it doesn't seem to be possible to integrate this expression with respect to r from 0 to a. My guess is my derivation of dA is wrong. Any help on that front?
 
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Let's try this again:

d\phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi }\frac{dr}{(\frac{a}{r}+1)}

Then
<br /> \phi = \int_{0}^{a}\frac{\mu I}{2 \pi }\frac{dr}{(\frac{a}{r}+1)}<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } \int_{0}^{a}\frac{dr}{(\frac{a}{r}+1)}<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } \int_{0}^{a}\frac{r}{(a+r)}dr<br />
Now let's do long division on our rational expression (off screen, 'cause duck doing that in LaTeX):
<br /> \frac{r}{(a+r)} = 1 + \frac{-a}{r+a} = 1 - \frac{a}{r+a}<br />
This looks like something we can work with, so let's replace the integrand with our quotient:
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } \int_{0}^{a}\frac{r}{(a+r)}dr<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } \int_{0}^{a}1-\frac{a}{r+a}dr<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } [r-a \ ln(r+a)]_{0}^{a}<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu I}{2 \pi } (a-a \ ln(2a) - 0 + a \ ln(a))<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu aI}{2 \pi } (1-ln(2a) - 0 + ln(a))<br />
<br /> \phi = \frac{\mu aI}{2 \pi } (1+ln(\frac{a}{2a}))<br />
Then by substituting this for ##\phi \ in \ M##:
<br /> M = \frac{\phi}{I} = \frac{\frac{\mu aI}{2 \pi } (1+ln(\frac{1}{2}))}{I}<br />
<br /> M = \frac{\mu a}{2 \pi } (1+ln(\frac{1}{2}))<br />
and by plugging in ##a = 10cm## and ##\mu = 4\pi*10^{-7}NA^{-2}## :
<br /> M = \frac{(4\pi*10^{-7}NA^{-2})(10cm)}{2 \pi } (1+ln(\frac{1}{2})) = 6.13706... × 10^-9 \frac{Nm}{A^2}<br />
<br /> M \approx 6.1 nH<br />
Booyah!
 
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What would happen if the base of the triangle given would be 20cm and not 10 cm?
 
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