My adventure of watching aluminum age zzzzz

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The discussion revolves around methods for aging aluminum rings used in making maille armor, focusing on achieving a duller appearance that resembles steel. Participants share their experiences and preferences regarding different chemical solutions for this purpose.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes using sodium acetate dissolved in 3% hydrogen peroxide as an effective method for aging aluminum rings, noting it produces a desirable finish without damaging the metal.
  • Another participant points out that vinegar, being a dilute solution of acetic acid, may lead to a white crust on the aluminum that is difficult to remove, unlike the sodium acetate method.
  • Some participants discuss the potential impurities in vinegar that could contribute to the crust formation, suggesting that other ingredients might be responsible for the differing results between the two methods.
  • There is mention of alternative sources of acetic acid, such as photographic stop-bath, which could be relevant for similar applications.
  • One participant proposes trying a salt solution with dish soap as another method for aging aluminum.
  • Another participant speculates that the presence of sodium hydroxide in the sodium acetate solution might influence the aging process differently than vinegar.

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Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness of vinegar versus sodium acetate for aging aluminum, with no consensus reached on the best method. The discussion remains open with multiple competing views on the chemical processes involved.

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Participants note that the results of the aging processes may depend on specific conditions, such as the purity of the vinegar used and the presence of other chemicals in the solutions. There are unresolved questions regarding the exact reasons for the differences in outcomes between the methods discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to hobbyists and artisans involved in metalworking, particularly those focused on creating costume armor or similar projects requiring specific finishes on aluminum.

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My adventure of watching aluminum age... zzzzz...

This is really just a post about something interesting I've been doing. Not a question thread or whatnot, which is why its in this section.
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I have been using aluminum rings to make small pieces of maille armour.
The rings are very polished, because they need to be smooth so they are comfortable to wear. However, the process also makes them very shiny... so shiny that they do not at all resemble steel or iron, which I want it to. I don't use steel because I am not a strong person and this maille is for costume, not combat (light weight is good).

I have experimented with various methods of ageing the rings so it is duller, to resemble steel. They all involve placing the rings into a container filled with some sort of solution.

The best method that gives it a nice aged look without damaging it at all is to use sodium acetate dissolved in 3% hydrogen peroxide (I did a side by side test of the acetate and acetate with H2O2, and the one with H2O2 completed hours ahead of the other).

So if any of you want to dull aluminum for whatever reason, the best result is using sodium acetate, not vinegar like everyone else says.

All the websites tell me to use vinegar, but I have done numerous trials with my armour, and vinegar seems to leave a white crusty residue that will not rub off, which, if the aluminum is touching anything at all, is not wanted.

I thought this was kind of interesting. I can also give you people pictures once I finish something (I have simply been experimenting with my maille techniques so far, and only made a small chain square).
 
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Vinegar is just a dilute solution of acetic acid. Sodium acetate, in solution, hydrolyses to make acetic acid. So I think both routes are aimed at the same reaction: Al + Acetic acid --> Al-acetate. Maybe it's the other ingredinets in vinegar (whatever they are) that are making the crust?
 
Well the vinegar is pure; its only acetic acid in water. The difference between the vinegar and acetate method is that the vinegar makes the white crust stick to the metal and it cannot be removed. When using sodium acetate there is some of the same type of crust, but it falls right off of the metal while in the solution, leaving a smooth ring. For some reason the vinegar method has different results.
 
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The vinegar probably has other ingredients (sugar, gum ?)
Another good/cheap source of acetic acid used to be photographic stop-bath, I don't now how easy it is to get anymore in a digital world but we used to use it to de-fuzz water pipes with limescale build up.
 
LSJ said:
Well the vinegar is pure; its only acetic acid in water. The difference between the vinegar and acetate method is that the vinegar makes the white crust stick to the metal and it cannot be removed. When using sodium acetate there is some of the same type of crust, but it falls right off of the metal while in the solution, leaving a smooth ring. For some reason the vinegar method has different results.
Are you using white vinegar?
 
Try a table or sea salt solution with a little dish soap----
 
Well, when using vinegar (and I used pure white vinegar) the only components are the aluminum, water, and acetic acid. When using sodium acetate you have acetic acid, water, aluminum, and sodium hydroxide. Perhaps the presence of sodium hydroxide changes the process in some way.

Regardless, its the method I prefer, because its an assured way to have smooth aluminum rings without the rough feel left by the other methods.
 

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