My camera is showing distortion when object is moving

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The discussion revolves around the distortion observed in video recordings made with a Canon Vixia HF100 camera, particularly when the subject is in motion. Participants explore potential causes such as lighting conditions, camera settings, and the nature of the camera's technology, including compression artifacts and rolling shutter effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the camera may be experiencing compression artifacts, which can occur even in newer models, especially in low-light conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that the distortion could be due to the camera's automatic exposure settings, which may not handle low light effectively, leading to motion blur.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that using a tripod might help reduce distortion, as camera movement can exacerbate compression artifacts.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of adjusting the camera settings to improve exposure and reduce distortion, including using additional lighting or post-processing techniques.
  • One participant raises the idea that the camera may utilize a rolling shutter effect, which could contribute to the wavy appearance during motion.

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Participants express a range of views on the causes of the distortion, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the potential impact of lighting and camera settings, while others introduce different technical explanations, such as rolling shutter effects.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific conditions under which the distortion occurs, as well as the lack of visual evidence to analyze the problem further. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the camera's capabilities and settings.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to videographers, camera users, and those exploring video recording techniques, particularly in low-light conditions or with older camera models.

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I just recorded a girl giving a monologue and every time she moves her arms or her body, she becomes wavy until she stops moving. This is a Canon Vixia HF100, so it's a decent camera. Maybe the room was too dark? Maybe the background was causing a problem? Anyone know what could be causing this?

Thanks.
 
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This is a 2008 model, isn't it? I guess what you see are some compression artifacts, they are sometimes present even in new models. I agree it is disappointing, but I don't find it surprising.

Not seeing the video it is hard to guess what could be the reason, your ideas (too dark, background) can be correct.
 
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This is a 2008 model, isn't it? I guess what you see are some compression artifacts, they are sometimes present even in new models. I agree it is disappointing, but I don't find it surprising.

Not seeing the video it is hard to guess what could be the reason, your ideas (too dark, background) can be correct.

Yes, that's the model. They're compression artifacts? I wish I could show you the video, but I don't want to post a video of this girl on the internet without her permission. I tried filming myself moving, but I don't see that effect. Maybe it was low lighting or something else, but you're right, it is disappointing. This is a relatively expensive camera, so shouldn't it be able to handle a bit of low light without that happening?
The reason I bought the camera is because I did research and saw videos online that were shot with this camera, and they look really good. For instance:


Shouldn't my camera be able to shoot videos that look that good? Maybe my settings need to be changed?

Thanks.
 
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Have you shot from a tripod? That's how the video you linked is mostly done, and that can be a pretty important thing. I believe I have seen compression artifacts in the YT video in one of those moment when the camera was moving. Perhaps I am wrong.
 
leroyjenkens said:
I just recorded a girl giving a monologue and every time she moves her arms or her body, she becomes wavy until she stops moving. This is a Canon Vixia HF100, so it's a decent camera. Maybe the room was too dark? Maybe the background was causing a problem? Anyone know what could be causing this?

Thanks.
Is this only happening on the camera's screen, or does it carry over to after you've downloaded the video to a computer?
 
It could just be you need more light.

Similar to a still camera, each frame is captured at a particular exposure setting. For a given light intensity, the exposure settings are determined by the aperture (f-stop) and shutter speed (not to be confused with cine rate), and possibly the sensor's "ISO" setting.

Most cameras have an automatic exposure setting that allows the camera to automatically select its own aperture, ISO and shutter speed based on the lighting conditions. Your camera has this capability.

According to the Canon Vixia HF100 User Manual, the automatic exposure is the only choice. It doesn't seem as though it allows you to select any of these exposure settings yourself (you can tweak the overall exposure if you wish, but you cannot select individual aperture, shutter speed or ISO on this particular camera).

What may be happening is that given the low-light conditions, the aperture that the camera selects is at maximum, the shutter speed is pretty slow too. Just like with a still camera, movement will blur the image when slow shutter speeds are used. If that's what's going on here, the solution is to provide more light. That way the camera will select a faster shutter speed for the same exposure at the sensor.

Remember a while ago I mentioned that camera and video accessories can get really expensive, really quickly. This is another reason: lighting.

Typically in the industry, when shooting indoor scenes all the lamps and lights in the house -- ones that make it into the actual scene -- are replaced with rather dim bulbs. The "real" light doesn't come from those household lamps. Instead, the real light comes from very bright lights made especially for cinematography -- these special lighting fixtures don't make it in front of the camera, so the final viewer never sees them. The viewer assumes that the light is coming from the nearby lamp in the scene. But it's really not. Its coming from a really bright light source (or perhaps multiple sources) off to the side and out of view.

As a matter of fact, even outdoor, night scenes are often actually shot during the daytime, sometimes in full sunlight, and then they are made to look like nighttime scenes in post processing, by applying a blue filter. (And there maybe be other filtering tricks involved besides just the blue one.)

So in short, you might wish to try more light, one way or another.
 
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Also, here is a trick if the scene calls for a dark room. (Suppose you actually want to make it look like the scene is in the nighttime darkness.)

Don't actually make the room dark.

Give the girl and the room good lighting (just make sure the actual light source is not in view of the camera).

Using your camera's controls:
  1. If the joystick guide does not appear on screen, press the SET to display it. If [EXP] does not appear on the joystick guide, repeatedly push the joystick <down> toward [NEXT] to display it.
  2. Push the joystick toward [EXP]. The exposure adjustment indicator and the neutral value of "+/-0" appear on the screen.
  3. Adjust the <left and right> to reduce the brightness of the image. Try to make the value more negative. The adjustment range and the length of the exposure adjustment indicator will vary depending on the initial brightness of the picture.
  4. Press SET. The exposure adjustment indicator will change to white and the exposure will be locked. If you operate the zoom during exposure lock, the brightness of the image may change. During exposure lock, press SET and push the joystick <up> toward [EXP] again to return the camcorder to automatic exposure.

If you can apply a blue filter in post processing [digitally on the computer], that might help too.

Edit: Alternately, you can also shoot the scene with normal exposure, and then reduce the apparent exposure later, on the computer, in post.

Another edit: you also might wish to reduce the color saturation a little. You can do this in your camcorder's CUSTOM settings. Change the COL.DEPTH to (-)Shallower colors. That, combined with the lower exposure and blue filter, should make almost any scene look as though it was taken at night.
 
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leroyjenkens said:
I just recorded a girl giving a monologue and every time she moves her arms or her body, she becomes wavy until she stops moving. This is a Canon Vixia HF100, so it's a decent camera. Maybe the room was too dark? Maybe the background was causing a problem? Anyone know what could be causing this?

Thanks.

Based on your description, I suspect the HF100 uses a 'rolling shutter', similar to the iPhone:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/7/15/iphonerollingshutter
 

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