News My RunIN with the JackBooted Thugs

[chroot]

I call BS on the whole story at this point, honestly.

- Warren

 

[Moonbear]

Tell the judge about it. He/she is paid to listen to your story. I suggest you pick just one version and stick with it when you go to court.

 

[misskitty]

That's not working within the system. You abused the 911 line. You should have contacted the police at the station, not 911.

Moonbear, I agree with you. Tell a one version of your story to a judge. They will decide whether you were or were not interfering with an arrest after speaking with you, the local authorities and the Coast Guard Personel involved. The judge will decide what to do with you. I can only hope that the judge will deal with you accordingly just like the police and CG did.

 

[russ_watters]

Yeah, its probaby best if you don't tell the judge you knew they were coasties, then tell the judge you didn't know they were coasties. Its probably also better to say you didn't know what they were doing, since there was no way for you to know at the time.

 

[misskitty]

This is true. But, I have to ask, how many times has ray changed his story without thinking about it? I would take a gander of a few. What's to say he won't do that in front of a judge? I'm not trying to sound bulidgerent (sp?) or nasty. Its a serious question.

 

[Moonbear]

This is true. But, I have to ask, how many times has ray changed his story without thinking about it? I would take a gander of a few. What's to say he won't do that in front of a judge? I'm not trying to sound bulidgerent (sp?) or nasty. Its a serious question.

And that's precisely what judges listen for. That's why they go to school all those years and get paid good money, because they have to sit and listen to these types of stories all day long and sort out the truth from the fabrications, often based on internal consistency of the story.

 

[misskitty]

How much do you think a slip up by ray might affect him? Do you think it might change whatever punishment the judge might give him?

 

[Moonbear]

How much do you think a slip up by ray might affect him? Do you think it might change whatever punishment the judge might give him?

It's a lot harder to "slip up" if you stick to the truth and don't waiver from that. It's when you start inventing facts and changing your story that it gets harder to keep it all straight. So, a so-called "slip up" could mean the difference between guilt and innocence because it undermines your credibility when your only defense is your word (all the witnesses were law enforcement, none on ray's side according to his story).

 

[Astronuc]

BS there was NO ARREST
the man with the suger was let go
as per the coastie he was NEVER ARRESTED mearly detained
and as he had violated NO LAW let go

So why get involved in the situation

AND by ingageing the coasties in conversation
and expressing the comunitys outrage at the tactics and M/O and lack of discression in busting people for VERY SMALL amounts drugs for personal use in their HOMES and for various other minor violations NOT COMMONLY INFORCED while they were in a standing around and WAIT MODE

so just how DID I INTERFEAR with JUSTICE?

The law is the law. Presumably, the officers has probable cause. You did not get involved in justice, you interferred with the process. You have to collect evidence and file a complaint through appropriate channels. If that is not enough, get the ACLU involved.

and by carrying an oar from a car to a boat without any intent or threat to use the oar, HOW DID I assalt anyone

Assault is defined as "The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening . . . ". You might have threatened the officers if you "approached with an oar". The threat is based on "perception of the victim".

remember I was not arrested at that point only told to leave
only after a 9-11 call to report a man WITHOUT ID in a UNMARKED VAN
pulling a GUN and ORDERING me to leave a place where I had every right to be who CLAIMED to be a coast guards man or JUST THE FACTS and nothing BUT THE FACTS

If an officer asks you to leave the vicinity then leave. It seems ray b, you understood or had reason to believe that the 'coasties' were indeed 'coasties', and if that is the case, use of 911 was not warrented.

and as I saw the coastie move their van [so I thought they left} only then did I return ,BUT stop short of the dock and speak to the local cops AND ONLY after instructed by the local cops to come closer and show ID did I return to the dock then after the man who had the suger was let go [and the thugs lost their first victom and were pissed and embarrested as a result] was I arrested on totaly FALSE charges

Well it seems through your posts that you admit to interfering with law enforcement, and then made inappropriate use of 911.

Maybe you should plead temporary insanity.

 

[ray b]

so if a law officer assults you
you should never call 9-11 to report it??
and pulling a gun and pointing it at a person is an ASSAULT
if I went to a very remote cop/shop they would have wanted names and other info I didnot have ect

what is the PROBLEM, with a call to 9-11 that reported facts

and BTW what are you babbeling on about here
" slip up by ray might affect him"?

 

[russ_watters]

The officers didn't assault you, you assaulted them.

 

[misskitty]

IF you had been assaulted, which you weren't, IF the assault was bad enough and you were unconscious because of it, which didn't happen, you wouldn't be able to call 911 anyway. IF you were conscious enough and coherant enough you perhaps could drive yourself to a nearby medical emergency centre.

BUT NONE OF THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T THE ONE ASSAULTED, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONEL WAS. SO ITS A MOOT POINT.

 

[Astronuc]

so if a law officer assults you
you should never call 9-11 to report it??
and pulling a gun and pointing it at a person is an ASSAULT
if I went to a very remote cop/shop they would have wanted names and other info I didnot have ect

By definition, an officer on duty cannot assault a person. The officer would likely have probable cause. Russ is right, you involved yourself 'unnecessarily'.

If an officer is off-duty and does actually 'assault' someone or you, then it may be appropriate to call 911. There is a grey area, if someone or you are performing a criminal act, or an actin in a manner that a reasonable person might construe as criminal.

I have had police officers pull guns on me. It was an amusing (well not for the guns in my face) and interesting experience. It didn't help that I had no ID (but then I wasn't planning on doing anything that would cause me worry about being in the middle of a bust), so they thought I was someone else. Charges were dropped. No big deal - no hard feelings.

what is the PROBLEM, with a call to 9-11 that reported facts

That is not appropriate. The 911 number is for 'emergency'. There was no emergency.

and BTW what are you babbeling on about here
" slip up by ray might affect him"?

Moonbear is wondering what the consequences will be for you if your testimony in court is inconsistent, or contradictory.

 

[ray b]

IF you had been assaulted, which you weren't, IF the assault was bad enough and you were unconscious because of it, which didn't happen, you wouldn't be able to call 911 anyway. IF you were conscious enough and coherant enough you perhaps could drive yourself to a nearby medical emergency centre.

BUT NONE OF THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T THE ONE ASSAULTED, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONEL WAS. SO ITS A MOOT POINT.

you DO NOT KNOW THE LAW
assault is not hitting anyone that's battery
and pulling a gun and pointing it at a person IS ASSAULT
carrying an oar is not, nore is it reason to pull a gun
I reported a CRIME but the pigs don't enforce the laws on each other
that is a big problem here in Miami and many places in amerika today
and pigs do retaliate on those who report their actions
that is what this is all about as there was no arrest for assault intill the report of it

or the use of state terror to protect the jackbooted thugs from criticisum
I was assaulted and reported it and was arrested as a result

 

[ray b]

"" By definition, an officer on duty cannot assault a person ""

and I wonder who wrote that bit of BS LAW a former cop no-dought
I wonder if he was one of
the cops in selma who sic'ed their dogs on blacks trying to register to vote
or the national guards men at kent state who shot unarmed protesters
or the cops mayor daily sent to bust heads at the 68 convention PIG RIOT

btw no one ever went to jail or even court in those CRIMES
and while both the SS and KGB would support that view how can a free people
belive such a EVIL IDEA ?
esp if they expect to remain free

 

[misskitty]

Ray, America is spelt A-M-E-R-I-C-A, not with a "k". I do know the law. One of my earlier post defined the word "assault". I even provided a link to where I found the definition. Astronuc is right, as was everyone else, who stated that your actions were inappropriate in handling the situation.

 

[misskitty]

By the way, Ray could you please stop personally attacking me. There is no need for a argumentative and abrasive attitude. Everyone here is civily discussing your thread except you. Cool it.

 

[ray b]

Ray, America is spelt A-M-E-R-I-C-A, not with a "k". I do know the law. One of my earlier post defined the word "assault". I even provided a link to where I found the definition. Astronuc is right, as was everyone else, who stated that your actions were inappropriate in handling the situation.

you just don't GET IT
it once was a free country
but has become a very expensive one
post 9-11 and totaly because of the over reaction to that
IT HAS BECOME AMERIKA the land of the JACKBOOTED THUG

 

[ray b]

By the way, Ray could you please stop personally attacking me. There is no need for a argumentative and abrasive attitude. Everyone here is civily discussing your thread except you. Cool it.

freedom is not free
it requires hard work and constant vigilance
we don't stay free by being NICE
and
political discussions do tend to be both argumentative and abrasive

if you don't like my attitude, do not make it worse by posting the neo-con party line in MY thread
I find you both argumentative and abrasive and VERY VERY WRONG
esp in one so young and without ANY real expereance
you told me to leave MY HOMELAND
I remember the prodraft proWAR hawks and statesrights anti civilrights
people saying LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT in the 60's
they were WRONG THEN AND YOU ARE WRONG NOW
as you parrot the NEO-CON LINES and LIES that HAVE IN FACT MADE THIS AMERIKA

 

[Argentum Vulpes]

As was stated in an earlier post on this thread the military and law-enforcement officers of this country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA are here to serve and protect the people of this country.

On the point of black planes/helicopters and the new world order paranoia, think about it if there were that many people out there who knew about it it would of leaked by now, and would be more than paranoia ramblings. Or it could be just too many episodes of the X-files.

Now let's just assume that for a bit that there are no law-enforcement officers in this country and we all live in your happy little hippy commune, what is to stop me or anyone else from taking you car, boat, or any other personal property? Are you going to pick up a gun and defend your stuff, or are you going to hire someone else to do it? Total anarchy is what this society would descend into, and I for one don't want to see that.

Personally me I like the laws that we have in place that protect you, and keep at bay the hounds of anarchy and mass chaos. Yes there are officers out there who are corrupt, and there are many means to deal with them from internal to civil, you just need to use those channels and not go around misusing the system then complain when it comes and bites you on the butt. Also be glad they aren't the GRU/KGB where they were either corrupt or towed the party line which allowed them to be corrupt. So if this makes me a "good German" who is brain washed by the system then,

Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
Leben die Regierung lang!
Sieg Heil der Fuhrer Gorge W. Bush!
Leben die Heimat lang!