Disorientation whilst backing up car next to one pulling out

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The discussion centers around the phenomenon of disorientation experienced while backing up a vehicle next to another vehicle that is moving. Participants explore the sensory conflicts that can lead to feelings of confusion and panic during such situations, with a focus on concepts like spatial disorientation and vection. The conversation includes personal experiences and observations related to this phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a personal experience of disorientation while backing up a large van next to a neighbor's vehicle that was pulling out, leading to panic and a feeling of movement.
  • Another participant shares a childhood experience of similar disorientation, suggesting that it can be simulated in a train setting where one perceives relative motion.
  • A participant identifies the phenomenon as spatial disorientation, commonly experienced by pilots, and suggests that conflicting sensory inputs can lead to confusion about one's motion.
  • Another participant agrees that spatial disorientation occurs when the brain struggles to create a consistent mental model based on conflicting sensory information.
  • One contributor explains that the brain integrates sensory inputs to determine motion, and if it reaches an incorrect conclusion, it can create a conflict between conscious perception and sensory feedback.
  • A participant introduces the term "vection" as a specific type of spatial disorientation, particularly noting its impact when backing up and observing adjacent vehicles moving.
  • Another participant concurs with the identification of vection and shares that looking at a backup camera exacerbates the feeling of disorientation compared to using mirrors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept of spatial disorientation and vection as explanations for the feelings of disorientation experienced while backing up next to another moving vehicle. However, there are varying personal interpretations and experiences shared, indicating that the discussion remains nuanced and not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external sources to support their claims, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact mechanisms or solutions to the disorientation experienced.

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I was backing up our very large, high van into a parking spot today and then my parked neighbor to my right started pulling forward out of his spot as he had also backed in when he had parked. I certainly saw this movement not only in my periphery but also a bit in my line of sight as I was watching my backup camera. All of a sudden, I became so disoriented. Though I was braking, it felt like I was moving and I panicked. I pushed hard down on the brake and still truly thought my van had somehow started moving forward on its own and malfunctioned. To convince myself that I wasn't moving (or just to stop what I thought was an out of control van), I shifted immediately into park. This lasted approx. 3-5 seconds but felt like much longer. Does anyone know what this phenomenon is that would cause such disorientation?
 
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I don't know the name but the experience. I had it more often as a child. All of a sudden the feeling for sizes or in this case movements got out of their way. I think you can quite easily simulate it in a train when leaving the station. If you're in the right mood, you can imagine the station moves, not the train. Sorry, that I have no name for it.
 
I believe pilots call it spatial disorientation. It occurs most frequently to them at night or bad weather. Can feel like you are banking, climbing or diving when you arent or lead you to mistrust your instruments.

In your case it's likely that your senses were giving you conflicting messages. Eg your sense of touch telling you are moving or braking in one direction while your eyes (seeing the other car) are telling you that you are moving in another.

More..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_disorientation
 
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It happens to people on a train in the station beside another train. You see relative motion between the two trains, but your mind can jump back and forth trying to interpret which train is moving.

I think @CWatters is right, spatial disorientation. Your mind tries to make a mental model consistent with your senses.
When the model fails, you're disoriented.
 
Out brains automatically/unconsciously integrate multiple sensory inputs to determine the body's state of motion, then it reports the conclusion to our conscious thought. If it comes to the wrong conclusion, it tells you you are moving when you are not (or vice versa). At the same time, you can consciously decide whether you are moving or not. If you come to a different conclusion, it creates an uncomfortable conflict.

What I wonder is if our subconscious can be trained to accept other inputs or if it would have to evolve.
 
After looking at the link, the specific type of spatial disorientation is Vection.

For me, the worst is backing up and seeing an adjacent car backing up at the same speed out of my periphery. Inner ear says I am moving backward, but peripheral vision says I'm staying still. This is usually reason enough for me to hit the brake suddenly.

It seems to be worse if I'm looking down at a backup camera than if I have my head up, looking at mirrors.
 
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ChemAir said:
After looking at the link, the specific type of spatial disorientation is Vection.

Yup, that sounds correct.
 

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