Mysterious Lunar Ring in the French Alps

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The discussion revolves around a participant's observation of a circular ring of light around the moon while in the French Alps, specifically during a full moon with mist in the sky. Participants explore various explanations for this phenomenon, including atmospheric optics and specific types of halos.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes seeing a circular ring of light around the moon, noting its size and color characteristics.
  • Another participant suggests that the phenomenon is similar to "moon dogs," referencing a Wikipedia article for further information.
  • A different participant proposes that the observed ring could be a halo, specifically a corona, and shares personal experiences of witnessing similar atmospheric events.
  • Another contribution mentions the possibility of a 22-degree halo, which relies on ice particles in the atmosphere, suggesting this could explain the observation in the alpine environment.
  • Some participants discuss the role of atmospheric conditions, such as humidity and particles, in the dispersion of light and the formation of halos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the nature of the observed phenomenon, including the possibility of it being a halo or a moon dog. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on a single explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various atmospheric optics phenomena, but the discussion does not resolve the specific conditions or definitions needed to fully understand the observations.

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I was in the French Alps the other day, high in the mountains (not sure if this is relevant), and, on the night of a full moon, with mist in the sky, there was a circular ring of light around the moon.

The ring subtended an angle about 5 times that subtended by the moon (that is to say, it looked about 5 times as wide as the moon), and, the colours were split up (though not as well as in, say a rainbow - they sort of merged together a bit).

The inside colour was (I think - may have forgotten) red.

Rainbows appear on the 'other side' of the sun, due to the geometry of the spherical raindrop, so it certainly wasn't a standard rainbow. Also, it subtended far too small an angle (I could easily see the whole ring, with the moon at the centre)

Any ideas what was happening?
 
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Thanks, that's pretty interesting.
 
opsb said:
Thanks, that's pretty interesting.

Your welcome, I would ocassionally see sun dogs in Colorado Springs.
 
Sounds like you were observing a ring of colors analogous to a rainbow..
try here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction

and also note optical dispersion...

basically, different colors are refracted (bent) at slightly different amounts so the colors get separated and spread out...like a prism disperses sunlight...the degree of bending is dependent on atmosphere conditions like density, humidity, particles in the air,etc.
 
Naty1 - I'm not sure this accounts for the ring. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog , posted by jmatejka. That seems to match up perfectly with what I saw. The similarities of the visual description I gave to the one in the article is actually quite uncanny.
 
opsb said:
I was in the French Alps the other day, high in the mountains (not sure if this is relevant), and, on the night of a full moon, with mist in the sky, there was a circular ring of light around the moon.

The ring subtended an angle about 5 times that subtended by the moon (that is to say, it looked about 5 times as wide as the moon), and, the colours were split up (though not as well as in, say a rainbow - they sort of merged together a bit).

The inside colour was (I think - may have forgotten) red.

Rainbows appear on the 'other side' of the sun, due to the geometry of the spherical raindrop, so it certainly wasn't a standard rainbow. Also, it subtended far too small an angle (I could easily see the whole ring, with the moon at the centre)

Any ideas what was happening?
It's a halo. More specifically, yours sounds like a corona.

http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonring/

I witnessed a very rare event where the halo started out as a very small ring right around the moon then continually grew bigger until it filled the sky. It made the news. Supposedly the rings do not move.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=79

I also witnessed an incredible hot pink sun pillar. I have never seen a pillar of the size or intensity of the one I saw, and of course not a single camera had a working battery. First and last one I've ever witnessed.
 
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It might be a 22 degree halo. These rely on ice particles in the air, so it makes sense that you would see it in the alps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_degree_halo"
 
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