(n+1)=(n+1)n factorial problem

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The discussion revolves around the properties of factorials, specifically the relationship between (n+1)! and n!. The original poster is attempting to understand how to express (n+1)! in terms of n! and is also working on simplifying (2n)! and (2(n+1))! in a related problem.

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  • Participants discuss the expansion of factorials and how to express (n+1)! as (n+1)n!. The original poster seeks clarification on the simplification of (2n)! and (2(n+1))! and expresses confusion about the correct expansion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the factorial expansions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct way to express these factorials, but there is still uncertainty about the original poster's understanding and the specific simplifications required.

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There is a mention of language barriers, as the original poster is communicating in English as a second language. Additionally, there is a distinction being made between (2n)! and 2(n!).

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First of all apologize for my english, I'm french and I'll do my best to be understandable.

So my question is about factorials.
how do you manage to say that (n+1)!=(n+1)n! ? I tried to develop this but my brain is just not able to understand how I'm suppose to do. Could someone please show me how to develop them?

I'm actually doing a problem that requires me to "symplify" (is it the word?) (2n)! and (2(n+1))! and I'm stuck there.

thanks for your help.
 
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Just write out the factorial as a product:

[tex]n! = (n)(n-1)(n-2)\ldots(1)[/tex]

[tex](n+1)! = ?[/tex]
 


ectrhoi said:
First of all apologize for my english, I'm french and I'll do my best to be understandable.
You are doing very well. Your English is much better than my French, which is almost nonexistent.
ectrhoi said:
So my question is about factorials.
how do you manage to say that (n+1)!=(n+1)n!
(n + 1)! = (n + 1)*n*(n - 1)*(n - 2)*(n - 3)* ... * 4*3*2*1. Since n! = n*(n - 1)*(n - 2)*(n - 3)* ... * 4*3*2*1, it should be evident that](n + 1)! = (n + 1)*n!
ectrhoi said:
? I tried to develop this but my brain is just not able to understand how I'm suppose to do. Could someone please show me how to develop them?

I'm actually doing a problem that requires me to "symplify" (is it the word?) (2n)! and (2(n+1))! and I'm stuck there.

thanks for your help.
The word is "simplify." (2n)! = (2n)(2n-1)(2n-2)(2n-3)...(n+1)(n)(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1). Note that this is not the same as 2n!, which is 2(n!). Can you continue from here?
 


Mark44 said:
You are doing very well. Your English is much better than my French, which is almost nonexistent.
(n + 1)! = (n + 1)*n*(n - 1)*(n - 2)*(n - 3)* ... * 4*3*2*1. Since n! = n*(n - 1)*(n - 2)*(n - 3)* ... * 4*3*2*1, it should be evident that](n + 1)! = (n + 1)*n!

The word is "simplify." (2n)! = (2n)(2n-1)(2n-2)(2n-3)...(n+1)(n)(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1). Note that this is not the same as 2n!, which is 2(n!). Can you continue from here?
From what I understood from the (n+1)!=(n+1)n! example I would develop (2n)! like this: (2n)(n)(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1) but obviously it isn't the case?

Thank you very much for your help, I'm feeling I'm on the way of understanding!
 


ectrhoi said:
From what I understood from the (n+1)!=(n+1)n! example I would develop (2n)! like this: (2n)(n)(n-1)(n-2)...(3)(2)(1) but obviously it isn't the case?
Right, that's not the case. The expansion above is omitting all of the factors (2n-1)(2n-2)...(n+1)
ectrhoi said:
Thank you very much for your help, I'm feeling I'm on the way of understanding!
 

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