N-dimensional broken stick problem -- find joint density

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The discussion revolves around the N-dimensional broken stick problem, specifically focusing on finding the joint density of random variables in a geometric context. The original poster shares hints regarding the problem, including starting with the case of n=2 and considerations about the volume of an n-dimensional ball.

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  • Participants discuss starting points, such as examining radial distributions and drawing parallels to the broken stick problem. There are questions about how to derive the joint distribution and the complexities of determining the density of the second variable.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and sharing insights. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conditional probabilities and radial distributions, but no consensus has been reached on the method to obtain the joint distribution.

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There are hints provided that suggest starting with simpler cases and considering uniform distributions, but the original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem. The discussion reflects a lack of complete information on the joint density derivation.

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A point ##P## is chosen uniformly in an ##n##-dimensional ball of radius ##1##. Next, a point ##Q## is chosen uniformly within the concentric sphere, cantered at the origin, going through ##P##. Let ##X## and ##Y## be the distances of ##P## and ##Q##, respectively, to the common center. Find the joint density function of ##X## and ##Y## and the conditional expectations ##E(Y\mid X=x)## and ##E(X\mid Y=y)##.
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I am not sure.
There are also two hints, which I will share with you now. The first hint says to start with the case ##n=2##. I've drawn a unit disc and a circle inside this unit disc, but I do not know how to reason further.

The second hint says that the volume of an ##n##-dimensional ball of radius ##r## is equal to ##c_nr^n##, where ##c_n## is some constant, and that this is of no interest to the problem. Somewhere this makes sense as we are only concerned with distances.

Then there's also a remark to the problem, namely that for ##n=1##, we rediscover the broken stick problem.

I'd be grateful for any help on this problem. The answer for the joint distribution should be ##f_{X,Y}(x,y)=n^2\frac{y^{n-1}}{x^n}## for ##0<y<x<1## (I also have the answer for the conditional expectations, if anyone's interested). But how to obtain these answers I have yet to understand.
 
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Start with finding the radial distribution for a uniformly sampled sphere and go from there as you would in the broken stick problem. The only difference is that you are not breaking the stick uniformly.
 
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Ok. There's actually an example in the book where the author determines the radial distribution of a dart board for a beginning dart player (i.e. the darts are assumed to land uniformly on the dart board). The author gets that the radial distribution of ##R##, the distance from the origin, has density ##f_R(r)=2r## for ##0<r<1##. So in this example I believe we simply have ##X=R##. I don't see yet how this can help me determine the joint distribution. Moreover, I think the density of ##Y## is a bit trickier and I'm not sure how to obtain it.
 
You have the conditional probability ##f_{Y|X=x}## and you have ##f_X##. From this you shoukd be able to obtain the joint pdf.
 
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