N27.09 Derivative of tan and phase shift

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a function based on its derivative, specifically $$r'(\theta) = 6 + \sec^2(\theta)$$, and determining its graph's behavior at a given point P, $$P\left(\frac{\pi}{4},0\right)$$. Participants explore integration, phase shifts, and graphing techniques using Desmos.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find the function whose derivative is given and mentions uncertainty about the phase shift.
  • Another participant questions the use of $$\sec(\theta)$$ versus $$\sec^2(\theta)$$ in the context of the problem.
  • A participant proposes integrating the derivative to find the function, yielding $$r(\theta) = 6\theta + \tan(\theta) + C$$.
  • There is a suggestion that the answer could be expressed as $$6\theta + \tan(\theta + 1)$$, but concerns are raised about compatibility with Desmos.
  • One participant advises using $$x$$ instead of $$\theta$$ for graphing in Desmos.
  • A more detailed integration approach is presented, showing the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTOC) to solve the initial value problem (IVP).
  • Some participants note that the graph appears to show a vertical shift rather than a phase shift, prompting questions about the differences between these transformations.
  • One participant emphasizes the standard method for solving IVPs, highlighting the use of initial and final values as limits of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the graph's transformation (vertical shift vs. phase shift) and the correct representation of the function in Desmos. There is no consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific assumptions regarding the integration process and the definitions of phase shifts and vertical shifts, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Find the function with the given derivative
whose graph passes through point P.
$$r'\left(\theta\right) =6+\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right), P\left(\frac{\pi}{4},0\right)$$
[desmos="0,2pi,-10,10"]6+sec^2(x)[/desmos]

The phase shift appears to be 1 but not sure how to get that

How do add another equation to desmos?
 
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You have $$\sec\left({\theta}\right)$$ in your equation and $$\sec^2\left({\theta}\right)$$ in your graph. Which one is it?
 
$$\sec^2 \left({\theta}\right)$$

It appears you have to use x in desmos
 
How about $$ r\left(\theta\right) = \int r'(\theta) d\theta = \int 6+\sec ^2 \left({\theta}\right)d\theta = 6\theta +\tan(\theta) +C $$
 
$$6\theta+\tan\left({\theta +1 }\right)$$
Seems to be the answer
But desmos doesn't like $\theta
 
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just use x instead of theta
 
What you are given is the IVP:

$$\d{r}{\theta}=\sec^2(\theta)+6$$ where $$r\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)=0$$

Integrating w.r.t $\theta$, we obtain:

$$\int_0^{r(\theta)}\,du=\int_{\frac{\pi}{4}}^{\theta}\sec^2(v)+6\,dv$$

Applying the FTOC, there results:

$$r(\theta)-0=\left[\tan(v)+6v\right]_{\frac{\pi}{4}}^{\theta}=\tan(\theta)+6\theta-\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)-6\left(\frac{\pi}{4}\right)=\tan(\theta)+6\theta-\frac{3\pi+2}{2}$$
 
Well that graphed to the answer but it seemed to be a vertical shift downward,
Why would you do this vs a phase shift?
 
karush said:
Well that graphed to the answer but it seemed to be a vertical shift downward,
Why would you do this vs a phase shift?

We are given an IVP, and I simply used a standard method for solving such a problem. An IVP consists of an ODE and an initial condition...so we can use the initial and final values (boundaries) as the limits of integration, and then apply the FTOC to get the solution satisfying both the ODE and the initial values.
 

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