NASA Challenge - CO2 Conversion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around NASA's challenge to develop a process for converting CO2 into carbon-based products on Mars, with a focus on potential methods and existing technologies. Participants explore various chemical processes and their applicability to the Martian environment, as well as the implications of using CO2 as a carbon source.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • NASA is offering a $50,000 prize for a process to utilize CO2 on Mars for carbon synthesis.
  • Some participants mention that the Navy has developed methods to produce jet fuel from CO2 in seawater, raising questions about the differences between hydrocarbons and carbohydrates.
  • Fischer-Tropsch synthesis is proposed as a method to produce hydrocarbons from syngas, with references to its historical development and established processes.
  • There is a question about the validity of the Sabatier process, previously researched for Mars missions, in light of the challenge's requirements.
  • One participant suggests that while synthesis steps may be manageable using established Earth processes, the challenge of purifying CO2 from Martian dust and other gases remains significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Sabatier process and the feasibility of various synthesis methods. There is no consensus on which processes are most suitable for the challenge.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the challenge allows for the use of pure CO2 sources and other reagents or catalysts, which may influence the approaches discussed. The unique environmental conditions on Mars, such as dust and gas composition, are highlighted as potential limitations.

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NASA is looking for a process to use CO2 as a Carbon source on Mars; ultimate goal is to use the Carbon in the synthesis of other products.

$50,000 prize.

Open to U.S. citizens, permanent residents, and U.S. business entities, work must be done in the U.S.,

https://www.co2conversionchallenge.org/#home
 
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Looks like Navy might have a head start. They can make jet fuel out of the CO2in seawater.

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I'm not enough of a chemist to assess difference between hydrocarbons and carbohydrates though.

Seems right out of Science Fiction's Golden Age, doesn't it ?

old jim
 

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Look into Fischer-Tropsch synthesis.

"Liquid transportation hydrocarbon fuels and various other chemical products can be produced from syngas via the well-known and established catalytic chemical process called Fischer-Tropsch (FT) synthesis, named after the original German inventors, Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch in the 1920s," and it was industrialized in the 1930s.
https://www.netl.doe.gov/research/coal/energy-systems/gasification/gasifipedia/ftsynthesis

CO2 can be decomposed in a hydrogen environment with electrolysis, or electrical discharge, or radiolysis. One can produce methylene, and even carbon black. That's been known for decades.
 
So the Sabatier process, researched for Mars Direct project, is no longer a valid option?
 
Borek said:
So the Sabatier process, researched for Mars Direct project, is no longer a valid option?
Apparently, they like sugars as outcome.
 
I would expect that the synthesis steps (=this challenge*) are the easier parts - you can use well-established processes from Earth. Cleaning the CO2 from dust and the other gases is a challenge unique to Mars.

* according to the rules you can use a source of pure CO2.
Other consumable reagents/catalysts are of course allowed as part of the conversion process (e.g., acids/bases/metals).
That is interesting (highlight from me).
 

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