NASA editing their Technical Reports Server

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The discussion revolves around the recent changes to NASA's Technical Reports Server, specifically the reclassification of certain historical data and documents under export control regulations. Participants express concerns about the implications of these changes on access to information related to aerospace engineering and modeling.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the unavailability of data previously accessed for modeling the Saturn V launch, suggesting that historical rocket hardware is now treated as sensitive information.
  • Another participant mentions broader trends in reclassifying information under export control, citing examples like MIL-STD-1797B, which was previously public but has now been restricted.
  • Concerns are raised about the complications of dealing with export-controlled materials, with a participant sharing their experience with ITAR regulations and the complexities of different governmental controls.
  • One participant humorously comments on the broken links in Wikipedia, reflecting frustration with government actions regarding information access.
  • A participant shares their experience using Excel for modeling and describes the performance of their Saturn V integrator, indicating a level of success despite the simplicity of their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general concern about the reclassification of information and its impact on access, but there is no consensus on the implications or the appropriateness of these actions. Multiple viewpoints on the handling of export-controlled information are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various governmental departments involved in export control, indicating a complex regulatory environment that affects access to technical information.

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Ok, this is slightly creepy.
A few years ago, I did a little project, for fun - modeling the launch of a Saturn V into orbit in MS Excel. I got all of the info I needed for the Saturn V parameters from the Nasa Technical Reports Server. They recently shut it down in order to put "export restrictions", or something, on the information there. Today, I went looking to see if the data that I used was still available. IT IS NOT. Apparently, rocket hardware from the 1960s is now state secrets. I guess I must now be a terrorist, or enemy of the state, or something.
 
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It seems like a lot of stuff is being put back under export control. There was a storm about some of the NASA centers violating ITAR/etc. a while back. This is probably part of the reaction.

Another example is MIL-STD-1797B, used for aircraft handling qualities, which was released publicly years ago and was just reclassified as export controlled information. Of course, if you do a Google search for "MIL-STD-1797" the first five results include two PDF copies of the A revision...

Working with export controlled stuff sucks, trust me. Having been responsible for ITAR information, if I never have to deal with it again it will be far too soon.

(Also, you should use MATLAB. ;)

Edit: I am usually lazy and refer to all export controls as ITAR, but in the US it's actually quite complicated. The Department of Commerce controls the Export Administration Regulations, the Department of State controls defense/technology stuff with the International Traffic in Arms Restrictions, and the Treasury Dept. has the Office of Foreign Assets Control. (There are more, but these are the major ones.)
 
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A whole lot of links in Wikipedia are broken now, also. "We're the government, and we're here to help you."
 
BTW, re: MATLAB, yah I probably should have used a real math app, but at the time I knew Excel inside-out, and I was messing around with numerical calculus stuff, so there you go. My Saturn V integrator was a really simple midpoint-method macro, which, surprisingly, worked great! My third stage reached orbit something like 1% "hot" compared to the real thing, so I would have had to shut the engine down a few seconds earlier... but surprisingly realistic.
 

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