Natural frequency of a pendulum being lowered at 2m/s

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The discussion revolves around calculating the natural frequency and amplitude of vibrations for a heavy machine being lowered by a winch, which is suddenly stopped. Participants explore the implications of the machine's weight, the properties of the steel cable, and the dynamics of the system in terms of potential and kinetic energy. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to oscillatory motion.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and questions the relevance of certain parameters, such as the cable diameter and lowering speed.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to use Young's modulus for steel in calculations.
  • A claim is made regarding the formula for natural frequency, \(\omega_n = \sqrt{\frac{200A}{mL}}\), with specific values for area and mass provided.
  • There is a correction regarding the value of Young's modulus, clarified to be 200 GPa.
  • A participant describes a method to find the amplitude and period by equating kinetic and potential energy, suggesting rough calculations yield approximately 0.19 seconds for the period and 0.035 meters for the amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of certain parameters and the correctness of calculations. There is no consensus on the final values for period and amplitude, as calculations vary among participants.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the system's behavior, such as the effects of the winch stopping and the elongation of the cable, remain unresolved. The dependence on specific definitions and parameters, like Young's modulus and the area of the cable, is noted but not fully clarified.

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A heavy machine weighing \(9810\) N is being lowered vertically down by a winch at a uniform velocity of \(2\) m/s. The steel cable supporting the machine has a diameter of \(0.01\) m. The winch is suddenly stopped when the steel cable's length is \(20\) m. Find the period and amplitude of the ensuing vibration of the machine.

From the question, we know that \(m\ddot{x} = 9810\) N, the pendulum will have a length of \(20\) m, and then we have the diameter of cable and the speed at which it was lowered. I am not sure if the last two are superfluous.

How does one tackle this type of problem?
 
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dwsmith said:
A heavy machine weighing \(9810\) N is being lowered vertically down by a winch at a uniform velocity of \(2\) m/s. The steel cable supporting the machine has a diameter of \(0.01\) m. The winch is suddenly stopped when the steel cable's length is \(20\) m. Find the period and amplitude of the ensuing vibration of the machine.

From the question, we know that \(m\ddot{x} = 9810\) N, the pendulum will have a length of \(20\) m, and then we have the diameter of cable and the speed at which it was lowered. I am not sure if the last two are superfluous.

How does one tackle this type of problem?

Use Young's modulus for steel.
 
I like Serena said:
Use Young's modulus for steel.

It says that the young's modulus for steel is 200.
\[
\omega_n = \sqrt{\frac{200A}{mL}}
\]
where \(A\) is the cross sectional area and \(L\) is the length. So L = 20 and \(A = 0.000025\pi\). The mass is \(m = 9810/g \approx 1000\).
\[
\omega_n = 0.000886227
\]
This doesn't seem right.
 
Young's modulus for steel is 200 GPa.
 
I like Serena said:
Young's modulus for steel is 200 GPa.

dwsmith said:
A heavy machine weighing \(9810\) N is being lowered vertically down by a winch at a uniform velocity of \(2\) m/s. The steel cable supporting the machine has a diameter of \(0.01\) m. The winch is suddenly stopped when the steel cable's length is \(20\) m. Find the period and amplitude of the ensuing vibration of the machine.

From the question, we know that \(m\ddot{x} = 9810\) N, the pendulum will have a length of \(20\) m, and then we have the diameter of cable and the speed at which it was lowered. I am not sure if the last two are superfluous.

How does one tackle this type of problem?

From 9810 N you can find the mass of the ball by just dividing 9.81, and mas becomes simply 1000 kg. Now you can find Kinetic Energy of the ball. When the winch is suddenly stopped, the cable gets elongated and a potential energy develops which resist the ball. Now Youngs Modulus gives you the force applied on the cable which comes out as

F = (EA/L)*x=kx where E young's modulus (200 GPa), A area of the cable, L length of the cable, and x is the increment in length.
Elastic potential energy = kx*x/2
Equating with KE, you can get x which gives amplitude.
To find the period apply F=kx or T=2*pi*sqrt(m/k)
In my rough calculation period and amplitude comes about 0.19 sec and 0.035 mt. Best of luck.
 

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