Natural Gas Pipe & Electric Field - Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for explosion in a metal pipe carrying natural gas and oxygen when one end is connected to a high potential electric wire and the other end is earthed. Participants explore the conditions under which ignition might occur and the validity of the scenario presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the scenario, noting that most natural gas pipes are made from polymer and do not contain oxygen.
  • Another participant suggests that if the pipe were metal, an explosion could occur if it heated sufficiently or sparked, but emphasizes the need for specific conditions.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that using steel pipes as grounds for electrical supply is common, raising concerns about safety when connecting to gas supply lines.
  • One participant argues that connecting a high potential wire to a metal pipe would create a short circuit, leading to circuit breakers activating and preventing significant heating or arcing.
  • Another participant points out that ignition mechanisms in high purity oxygen pipelines could apply, and static electricity could also lead to ignition.
  • It is noted that the absence of oxygen in natural gas pipelines makes ignition unlikely, as both too much and too little oxygen can prevent combustion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the scenario and the conditions required for ignition, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the potential for explosion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the scenario, such as the assumption of oxygen presence and the nature of the materials used in gas pipelines, which may affect the discussion's conclusions.

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Metal pipe and electric field

Hello,

Consider a metal pipe in which a natural gas and oxygen is flowing. One end of pipe is connected with high potential electric wire from grid station and other end is earthed.
Whether explosion would result from it? please explain this to me.

Thanks
 
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Well considering most pipes that carry natural gas are a) made out of a polymer and b) have no oxygen in them. Then your scenario isn't really valid.

If the pipe was made from metal then it may explode but you would need either the pipe to heat up sufficiently to ignite the gas or for it to spark somewhere.
 
It (has been) a common practice to use steel (usually galvanized), water pipes a grounds for a home electrical supply. (Clamp/connectors are sold for the purpose). You might be describing a case of someone hooking a ground to a gas pipe, not knowing, (or maybe not caring), that it's a gas supply line.

Or, YES! Gas and oxygen mixed in the proper range will ignite given enough heat. A 1/2 inch steel pipe could pass ALLOT of current without warming much though, is my guess.
 
u2 wa, Are you describing some real situation? Why would anyone do what you are asking about?

Consider first the metal pipe with no gas. Connect a "high potential electric wire from grid station" to one end and the other end to earth. This would result in MAXIMUM CURRENT flow, known as an electrical short-circuit. This would cause safety devices called circuit breakers to open almost instantly, thereby removing the applied voltage.

Now, one might expect that so much current would heat up a metal pipe. But the current only flows for a few milliseconds, so forget any heating. There is also no reason to expect any arcing in the scenario you describe.

Now, fill that pipe with some mixture of natural gas and oxygen. What happens? Nothing.
 
The ignition mechanisms would be the same as those in high purity oxygen pipelines. In addition, static electric buildup could create an ignition.
 
As the pipelines don't have oxygen in them, and oxygen needs to be present to support combustion, the scenario is not likely.

Too much or too little oxygen will prevent combustion. There is a range required for ignition.
 

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