Need answers on tubular structures

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of tubular structures, specifically focusing on the phenomena that occur when these structures begin to bend and buckle under load. Participants explore terminology, definitions, and the mechanics involved in bending and buckling, as well as the conditions under which these phenomena occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the name of the phenomenon that occurs when tubular structures, like straws, start to bend before buckling.
  • Another participant identifies "buckling" as the phenomenon when the tube fails under compressive loads.
  • There is a discussion about "bending deflection," with some participants suggesting it occurs when the tube bends before buckling.
  • Questions arise regarding whether bending deflection is only applicable when a force is applied perpendicularly to the tube.
  • Some participants assert that bending deflection can occur due to bending moments from various forces, not limited to perpendicular forces.
  • Participants mention that compressive failure is more complex than tensile failure and suggest further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the terminology related to bending and buckling, but participants express differing views on the conditions under which bending deflection occurs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of bending deflection and its relationship to applied forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the complexity of compressive failure compared to tensile failure, indicating that the discussion may involve nuanced mechanical principles that are not fully explored.

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Ok so I have been looking over the internet on reading material on structures of tube. From experience I know this happens with items like straws (see illustration below). Is there an actual name of the phenomenon that happens (maybe a few formulas)

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If you don't understand the picture from just the drawings feel free to ask and i will try to clarify as much as I can.
 
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thanks for the move. i really didn't know where to ask this question.
 
Buckling
 
before the buckle. i want to know what it is called when it starts to bend and before it buckles.
 
I agree that ank_gl has given the correct answer to post 1. Regarding your question in post 4,
when the tube starts to bend but before it buckles, this is called bending deflection.
 
nvn said:
I agree that ank_gl has given the correct answer to post 1. Regarding your question in post 4,
when the tube starts to bend but before it buckles, this is called bending deflection.

O ya. i know its buckling when the tubes buckles (haha). With bending deflection isn't that only when a force is applied perpendicularly to the tube and not when applied against the tube?
 
buf006 said:
O ya. i know its buckling when the tubes buckles (haha). With bending deflection isn't that only when a force is applied perpendicularly to the tube and not when applied against the tube?

I would suggest you to read a chapter about buckling from some good book, or simply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling

Just for a start, compressive failure is way more complex than tensile failure.
 
buf006 said:
With bending deflection, isn't that only when a force is applied perpendicularly to the tube?
No, bending deflection occurs when bending moment is applied to the tube, regardless of which
force caused the bending moment.
 
& the bending moment can occur due to load eccentricity, material inhomogeneity etc. Compressive failure study is more experimental than theoretical.
 
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The phenomenon is definitely buckling (a.k.a. elastic instability). You should read about it in a strength of materials textbook. There is a pretty good summary of it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling
 

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