Need help converting a function of displacement to a function of time.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass whose velocity is defined as a function of displacement, specifically v(x) = 1/x^2. Participants are tasked with finding the force F(x) that causes the motion, as well as determining the functions x(t) and F(t).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to derive acceleration from the velocity function and explore the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration. There are attempts to apply the chain rule to relate acceleration to velocity and displacement.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance on using the chain rule to connect the different variables involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the integration process necessary to find x(t) and subsequent discussions about the implications of treating x as a function of time.

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Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting the integration of functions of x with respect to time, emphasizing that x is dependent on time in this context. There is also mention of the need to find x(t) before proceeding to determine F(t).

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Homework Statement


Assume we have some mass, m, that varies it's distance as v(x)=1/x^2. Assume v(x=0)=0 at t=0.

What is the force F(x) that causes this motion?
Find x(t).
What is F(t)?

Homework Equations


[tex]F=m\ddot{x}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


I think I need to take the derivative of my velocity with respect to x to find my acceleration. With that I can find the force as a function of x? I think this may be wrong, but I'm really not sure. Could someone help me out as to where to begin?
 
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HINT: By the chain rule

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dx}\overbrace{\frac{dx}{dt}}^{v}[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow a = v\frac{dv}{dx}[/tex]
 
Hootenanny said:
HINT: By the chain rule

[tex]a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dx}\overbrace{\frac{dx}{dt}}^{v}[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow a = v\frac{dv}{dx}[/tex]

By this, I find the following, by the way... in the problem I'm solving v(x)=ax^-3, where a is a constant.

[tex]v(x)=ax^{-3}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\ddot{x}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{dx}=-3ax^{-4}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m*-3ax^{-4}*ax^{-3}=-3ma^2x^{-7}[/tex]
[tex]F(t)=m\frac{dv}{dt}=-3ma^2x^{-7}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt}=-3a^2x^{-7}[/tex]
[tex]dv=-3a^2x^{-7}dt[/tex]
[tex]\int dv=\int -3a^2x^{-7}dt[/tex]
[tex]v(t)=\frac{dx}{dt}=-3a^2x^{-7}t[/tex]
[tex]x^7 dx=-3a^2t dt[/tex]
[tex]\int x^7 dx=\int -3a^2t dt[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^8}{8}=\frac{-3}{2}a^2t^t[/tex]
[tex]x^8=-12a^2t^2[/tex]
[tex]x(t)=(12a^2t^2)^{1/8}[/tex]
 
lylos said:
By this, I find the following, by the way... in the problem I'm solving v(x)=ax^-3, where a is a constant.

[tex]v(x)=ax^{-3}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\ddot{x}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{dx}=-3ax^{-4}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m*-3ax^{-4}*ax^{-3}=-3ma^2x^{-7}[/tex]
[tex]F(x)=m\frac{dv}{dt}=-3ma^2x^{-7}[/tex]
You're good upto here, after this things get a bit hairy. When integrating don't forget that x is a function of time, therefore you should note that

[tex]\int x(t) dt \neq xt+ const.[/tex]

Notice that the question asks you to determine x(t) before finding F(t), therefore it might be easier to find x(t) next.
 
Hootenanny said:
You're good upto here, after this things get a bit hairy. When integrating don't forget that x is a function of time, therefore you should note that

[tex]\int x(t) dt \neq xt+ const.[/tex]

Notice that the question asks you to determine x(t) before finding F(t), therefore it might be easier to find x(t) next.

So to find x(t)?:

[tex]v(x)=ax^{-3}=\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]x^3 dx = a dt[/tex]
[tex]\int x^3 dx = \int a dt[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^4}{4}=at[/tex]
[tex]x(t)=(4at)^{1/4}[/tex]
 
lylos said:
So to find x(t)?:

[tex]v(x)=ax^{-3}=\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]x^3 dx = a dt[/tex]
[tex]\int x^3 dx = \int a dt[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^4}{4}=at[/tex]
[tex]x(t)=(4at)^{1/4}[/tex]
Looks good to me :approve:
 

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