Need help designing a clock with a repeating signal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a mechanical clock that can trigger a signal three times at adjustable intervals within a limited time frame. Participants explore various mechanical solutions and concepts related to clock design, focusing on the use of pendulums, escapements, and innovative mechanisms for timing and signaling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their previous experience with a simple Graham Escapement clock and expresses uncertainty about adjusting striking intervals in a striking clock.
  • Another participant suggests a design involving a pendulum and escapement wheel, proposing the use of a bicycle chain pinion to regulate timing and a weight to drive the mechanism.
  • A different approach is introduced, involving the use of a spoon spinning in a viscous liquid to control spin speed, with suggestions for varying the depth of the spoon or using different sizes to adjust timing.
  • One participant humorously mentions a Raspberry Pi, acknowledging the challenge of working with purely mechanical solutions in contrast to modern software-based methods.
  • Another participant reiterates the simplicity of the pendulum and escapement design, emphasizing the need for a mechanism to trigger signals based on the arrangement of pins in a chain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a mechanical solution and the potential use of pendulums and escapements, but multiple competing views on specific designs and mechanisms remain. The discussion is unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the desired functionality.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with clock mechanisms, and there are indications of missing assumptions about the feasibility of certain designs. The discussion highlights the challenges of adjusting mechanical components within a limited timeframe.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, clock design, or those exploring innovative mechanical solutions for timing mechanisms may find this discussion relevant.

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I need to build a clock that triggers a signal to repeat three times at equal intervals. These intervals need to be adjustable within a short amount of time (i.e. striking three times with 30 seconds in between to striking three times with 90 second intervals).
Hello! I am in need of a clock expert. Just a disclaimer, I am vastly unfamiliar with much of the inner-workings of clocks and need some help. I have only built a simple Graham Escapement clock, previously.

I need to build a clock that triggers a single signal to occur three times at equally spaced time intervals. These time intervals need to be adjusted after each trial for a total of three trials (we are only given five minutes to adjust). We are also only limited to mechanical clocks and no electrical components. I was looking into striking clocks, but I am unsure of whether you are able to adjust the interval at which it strikes or if it is even doable considering my inexperience. I have also considered adding a lever system that triggers a visual signal, but the dropping weight does not strike the lever with enough force to trigger it. Currently, I am trying to research more into it, but I find it hard to understand a lot of material. A bit of advice would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Welcome to PF.

I think you need to keep it simple.
1. A pendulum and an escapement wheel.
2. A 12 tooth bicycle chain pinion on the escapement shaft.
3. Adjust the pendulum length to one pinion tooth per second.
4. A weight hanging on a length of bicycle chain drives the escapement shaft.
5. The signal is triggered when an extra-long roller pin passes over the top of the pinion. The distance between three long pins in the chain programs the period. It all stops when the weight reaches the floor.

Also, consider a loop of chain with only one extra-long roller pin. It will regularly pass over the pinion, with a period determined by the number of links in the chain loop. A separate weight would be required to drive the escapement shaft.
If more than three signals were not permitted, then the weight would have to be caught after three and a half periods.
 
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A really odd approach:
  1. consider a spoon. you hold the handle in your fingers and twirl it so the bowl spins with the spin axis along the handle
  2. if you put the spinning bowl in a container of liquid it will be harder to spin
  3. the more of the spoon bowl in the liquid, the harder it is to spin
Now if you use a liquid that is more viscous ("thicker") it will be even harder to spin that spoon. That could be a way to control the spin speed if the driving force is fairly constant. A constant driving force could be a weight suspended by a string that is wrapped around a shaft, or the spring from a sacrificed windup clock (probably harder to use though).

For the different time periods that you need, you can change how deep the spoon is in the fluid; or use different size spoons; or wrap the string supporting the weight around different diameter shafts.

Now getting really odd, instead of a liquid, use silly putty and adjust its viscosity for different speeds.

You can make silly putty using corn starch or using borax powder. Do a Google search for: make silly putty.

Anyhow, there is one approach to a speed regulator. The rest of the mechanics "Are Left To The Reader." :oldbiggrin:

Have Fun!... and please keep us updated on your project, it sounds like a fun one.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Raspberry Pie?
(Only joking)
 
Krion said:
We are also only limited to mechanical clocks and no electrical components.
Thanks for the reminder. In today's world we are accustomed to software-based solutions that make things like that trivially easy. We forget how difficult it was to be flexible using mechanical solutions.

Is this a challenge posed to ME students?
 
Baluncore said:
Welcome to PF.

I think you need to keep it simple.
1. A pendulum and an escapement wheel.
2. A 12 tooth bicycle chain pinion on the escapement shaft.
3. Adjust the pendulum length to one pinion tooth per second.
4. A weight hanging on a length of bicycle chain drives the escapement shaft.
5. The signal is triggered when an extra-long roller pin passes over the top of the pinion. The distance between three long pins in the chain programs the period. It all stops when the weight reaches the floor.

Also, consider a loop of chain with only one extra-long roller pin. It will regularly pass over the pinion, with a period determined by the number of links in the chain loop. A separate weight would be required to drive the escapement shaft.
If more than three signals were not permitted, then the weight would have to be caught after three and a half periods.
That is very helpful. Thank you so much!
 

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