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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a geometric shape that meets specific criteria regarding vertex connections and edge types. Participants explore the requirements for vertex configurations in relation to the number of edges labeled A and B, considering various dimensions and geometric properties.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a shape where vertices have more A connections than B, with all vertices having the same number of edges.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of achieving more A than B at the vertices given the edge constraints.
  • A later reply suggests that the configuration can exist in any dimension, but emphasizes the need for a consistent ratio of A to B at each vertex.
  • One participant proposes a pattern for 2D shapes where the number of vertices is related to A and B, but later corrects their initial formulation.
  • Another participant notes a potential issue with counting A connections and suggests that one A may be counted twice, leading to an equal number of A and B, which contradicts the original requirement.
  • A participant mentions Cayley Graphs and inquires about theories that allow for a specific number of outgoing and incoming connections at vertices.
  • One participant provides definitions related to graph theory, including terms like 2-colorable, degree, outdegree, and indegree, suggesting these may aid in finding a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the feasibility of the proposed configurations and do not reach a consensus on a solution. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the requirements remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of edges and vertices, as well as the unresolved mathematical relationships between A and B connections. The exploration of higher dimensions adds complexity that is not fully addressed.

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Hey guys.

I am trying to find a shape that suits my needs.

The amount of vertexes can be any, but the fewer the better.

The edges are special in that each end has an A or a B. like this A------B

I need the vertexes to have more A than B inputs from edges.

I need all vertexes to have the same amount of edges.

I have tried various 3dimensional shapes to no avail. Maybe someone here can help me. I have even tried shapes inside of shapes.

Thanks in advance.
 
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A-------A

If each edge needs to have an A and a B then unless you can connect two edges together like A-------BB-------A I don't see how you can take an equal number of As and Bs and have more As than Bs at your vertices.
 
ya, that's the way it's looking.

Keep in mind this can be in any dimension. 2, 3, 4,5. just as long as I get more vertexes with more A than B.

A-----A could be possible, assuming the end result was still the same. Same with
B-----B.

each vertex should look like
Let n < m
Axn
Bxm

technically it could have
A----A
A----B
B----B
B----A
or even
/-1/2B
a--
\--1/2B
But the last one would make things a real mess.

what ever method is used, though, the same ratio and values of A:B has to be on each vertex.

edit: right now I am looking at 2-d shapes. before I was looking at 3d.

edit2: in 2d I have found the pattern of vertexes = A +1, where B = 2A. for example 4 vertexes with one a and 2 b. This works when the edges are allowed to change. I remember last night dreaming something about repeating decimals, so now I have to figure out what that meant. I think the lower the repeating decimal the better? but I could be wrong.

Edit 3: I just realized I wrote out that pattern wrong. # of vertexes = A+1+B
 
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Doh!... Wasn't thinking.

The issue comes up that one A is actually existing as two. So over all the vertex would still have A=B. which doesn't work.

Back to the drawing board.

Anyone know of geometry software that could try to calculate that?
 
I have noticed that Cayley Graphs allow for Arrows, but only allow one going out and one going in. Does anyone here know of a theory that allows for set number of out arrows and set number of in arrows?
 
I don't have a solution but these definitions or terms may be helpful:

- If every edge connects exactly one vertex A and one vertex B this means your graph is 2-colorable.

- For an undirected graph, i.e. edges don't have arrows, the number of edges incident to a vertex is called degree.

- For a directed graph (edges have arrows):
The number of edges going out of a vertex is called outdegree.
The number of edges pointing to a vertex is called indegree.

Maybe you can look for a theorem using these terms.
 

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