Need help related to heat, water and aluminium

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving heat transfer, water, and aluminum, specifically focusing on the effects of temperature change on an aluminum plate and the resulting calculations related to heat energy transfer and changes in surface area.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to identify relevant formulas for calculating changes in surface area and heat transfer but expresses confusion regarding the coefficients of linear and area expansion. Some participants question the calculations provided and suggest reviewing the coefficients needed for the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the necessary coefficients and calculations. There is a suggestion to look up the coefficients in a table, indicating a potential direction for resolving the confusion, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for specific coefficients related to thermal expansion, which appear to be missing or incorrectly calculated. The original poster expresses difficulty in finding these values, which may impact the ability to solve the problem.

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Homework Statement


I need help at identifying what forumala's to use to calculate the following

(Density of Aluminium 2770kg/m^3
An aluminium plate has a mass of 5kg and a surface area of 2m^2. The temperature of the plate is 450°C. The plate is immersed in a container of water of which the temperature rises from 20°C to 80°C. Only 70% of the heat energy given off by the plate is transferred to the water
Calculate
- Decrease in surface area of plate after being immersed in water
- percentage change in area due to temperature change
- heat transferred to water
- mass of the water

I have been going through the examples in the book and i just don't see how I will work it out. It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion
but I just get 0 both times.

need to be pointed in the right direction to solve the problem as in formulas that would need to be used.


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Hi Sl1ver! :smile:
Sl1ver said:
I have been going through the examples in the book and i just don't see how I will work it out. It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion
but I just get 0 both times.

mmm :confused:

show us your full calculations, and then we'll see what went wrong, and we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
coefficient of area = A1 -A2/A1(t2-t1)
=2m^2-2m^2/2m^2(80°C-20°)
=0/120
=0

and coefficient of linear expansion
using a as i can't find the proper symbol

2a = B
b=2/a
and then end up with zero as well.

so I can't see how zero and zero will help me
 
Sl1ver said:
It seems I need a coefficient of linear expansion and coefficient of area expansion

ah, yes …

i think you'll need to look those up in a table :smile:
 

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