Need help with 4th order differential equation

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The problem involves solving a fourth-order differential equation given by y^(4) + y = 0. Participants are discussing the application of de Moivre's formula to find the roots of the characteristic equation derived from the differential equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive the roots of the characteristic equation r^4 = -1 and are questioning how to transition from this equation to the sine and cosine solutions. There is discussion about the use of reduction of order and the application of de Moivre's formula.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to solve for the roots. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of de Moivre's formula, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of de Moivre's formula and the derivation of all four roots from the characteristic equation. There is a mention of confusion regarding the reduction of order method and its effectiveness in this context.

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Homework Statement



y^(4)+y=0

Homework Equations



Need to use de Moivre's formula to obtain answer.

3. The Attempt at a Solution .

I can obtain the characteristic equation r^4=-1. From there I tried saying y_1 = cosx and y_2=sinx. However, my book has the answer listed as y= [e^(√(2)x/2)(cos(√(2)/2)x+sin(√(2)/2)x)]+[e^-(√(2)x/2)(cos(√(2)/2)x+sin(√(2)/2)x)]. I am unsure how they obtained this answer. When I asked my teacher he said I had to use the de Moivre formula, but I am unsure how to apply this. PLEASE HELP!
 
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How did you go from r4=-1 to sines and cosines? What are the roots of the characteristic equation?
 
I said r^2(r^2)=0 so I took the first root to be (0+i) and the second to be (0-i), from there I can say y=e^(0)(Ccosx+C'sinx). I was unsure how to get the other two roots from there. Tried reduction of order saying that if y_1=cosx then v_1y_1=y_3 but this does not give the answer in the book.
 
You need to solve for r. You've only gotten to ##r^2 = \pm i## so far.
 
I know, I only knew how to solve for the two of them. I tried to find the other two using the reduction of order method and was unable to get the answer the book said.
 
You haven't solved for any of them yet.
 
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nowak said:

Homework Statement



y^(4)+y=0

Homework Equations



Need to use de Moivre's formula to obtain answer.

That's what you need to do then. You have the equation, and I'll use z:

z^4=-1

or:

z=\sqrt[4]{-1}

and de Moivre's formula allows you to solve for the four roots using the expression:

z=|r|^{1/4}e^{i/4(\theta+2n\pi)}

but I think though you may not know how to apply it. r is the absolute value of -1 or just 1 right. Theta is the argument of -1. Well, that's just pi. And n goes from 0 to 3.
 

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