Need help with a limit problem on Spivak's Calculus.

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The problem involves analyzing the limit of a function defined on a collection of finite sets of numbers within the interval [0,1]. The function f is defined such that it takes the value 1/n for elements in the sets A_n and 0 otherwise. The goal is to prove that the limit of (x-a)f(x) approaches 0 for all a in [0,1].

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  • Participants discuss the existence of the limit and the implications of the infinite nature of the sets A_n. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the limit can be shown to hold, including considerations of neighborhoods around the point a.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the sets and the behavior of the function f, suggesting that the limit may still hold under certain conditions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the problem's setup, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the potential for misunderstanding the problem's requirements and the importance of considering the infinite nature of the sets A_n. There is a mention of the author's wording possibly being unclear, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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1. Homework Statement

Suppose that A_{n} is, for each natural number n, some finite set of numbers in [0,1], and that A_{n} and A_{m} have no members in common if m =/= n. Define f as follows:
<br /> f(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}1/n,&amp;\mbox{ if }<br /> x \in A{n} \\0, &amp; \mbox{ if }x Not In A_{n} For Any n.\end{array}\right.<br />

Prove that \lim x-a f(x)=0 for all a in [0,1].

Michael Spivak - Calculus Ch5 Q24

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I've been trying to figure out the existence of this limit, but so far with no luck. I might have misunderstood the problem. Can someone help me out with this?Update: Just looked a older post on this problem. I think I overlooked some crucial stuff.
So, if we pick a delta value so small that none of the points in A1,A2...An are on the (a-delta, a+delta) interval, except maybe point a itself. f(x) approaches 0 to as x -> a, even if f(a) is defined at some 1/n. Am I being correct?
 
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Not quite. Remember, although there are only a finite number of elements in each A_n, there are an infinite number of the sets, one for each positive integer. So there's no "end" to the list of sets: A_1, A_2, \ldots. So I claim you may not be able to always find such an interval. For example, let A_n = \{1/n\} for each n \in \mathbb{Z}^+. I claim that any neighborhood of 0 contains a point in A_n for some n.

I think it might help to use the sequential version of functional limits.

EDIT: Oh, and welcome to PF!
 
I think it is probably the author's wording error, otherwise it would be proved false.

Thank you so much for helping me out there. I like this place already.:biggrin:
 
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I think it is probably the author's wording error, otherwise it would be proved false.

No no, that wasn't a counterexample! As you'll note, we also have \lim_{n \to \infty} 1/n = 0, so the proposition holds in this case as well. (Spivak is a very good book, and I'm sure he wouldn't make such an error!) I just wanted to show that you can't always find an interval that doesn't hit a point in any of the An's.

Thank you so much for helping me out there. I like this place already.:biggrin:

Glad to hear it!
 
I see what you are saying now. So, the proposition would still hold as 1/n is approaching 0 as well.
 
After thinking about it some more, I think we can modify your original approach using cases. In the first case we can find a neighborhood of the point that doesn't contain any elements of the A_n &#039;s and we're done. Otherwise, what does that say about each neighborhood of a? What must each one contain?
 

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