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The problem involves a projectile launched at a 45-degree angle up an incline that is 20 degrees to the horizontal, with an initial speed of 50 m/s. The discussion focuses on calculating various aspects of the projectile's motion, including its maximum height, speed after a certain time, and the distance it travels along the incline before landing.

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  • Participants explore changing the coordinate system to align with the slope for calculations. There are discussions about the equations of motion for the projectile and the hill's slope, as well as the intersection of the two paths.

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Some participants have provided equations and methods for determining the projectile's trajectory and its intersection with the incline. There is ongoing exploration of different approaches, with no clear consensus on the best method yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance is negligible and are focused on deriving relationships between the projectile's motion and the incline's geometry. There are references to specific values and calculations, but no definitive conclusions have been reached.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is launched at an angle 45degrees with respect to the horizontal and up a hill that is inclined 20degrees to the horizontal. The initial speed of the projectile is 50m/s. Neglect air resistance.
a)what is maximum height? - I found 63.8m which is correct
b) what is the speed of projectile 2.5s after launching? - 37m/s which is correct
c) find the distance up the hill the projectile lands.
d)calculate the magnitude and direction of the velocity of the projectile at impact.



Homework Equations


for part c
x=vicos(45)t-.5gsin(25)t^2
x=visin(45)t-.5gcos(25)t^2


The Attempt at a Solution


The only idea i have for part c is to change the x-y axis so that x is along the slope. Any help solving or ideas would be great.
 
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daniel1919 said:
c) find the distance up the hill the projectile lands.

x=vicos(45)t-.5gsin(25)t^2
x=visin(45)t-.5gcos(25)t^2

(i assume one of those is y ? :rolleyes:)

ok, you have the equations for axes along and perpendicular to the slope …

now put y = 0 to get t, and then substitute into x …

what do you get? :smile:
 
The projectile takes a parabolic path. What is the equation of that path (forget about the hill, for now)?

The hill describes a line; what is it's formula?

Assume the origin to be the point of launch which lies on both the parabola and the hill.
Find the other intersection.
 
daniel1919 said:

Homework Statement


A projectile is launched at an angle 45degrees with respect to the horizontal and up a hill that is inclined 20degrees to the horizontal. The initial speed of the projectile is 50m/s. Neglect air resistance.
a)what is maximum height? - I found 63.8m which is correct
b) what is the speed of projectile 2.5s after launching? - 37m/s which is correct
c) find the distance up the hill the projectile lands.
d)calculate the magnitude and direction of the velocity of the projectile at impact.



Homework Equations


for part c
x=vicos(45)t-.5gsin(25)t^2
x=visin(45)t-.5gcos(25)t^2


The Attempt at a Solution


The only idea i have for part c is to change the x-y axis so that x is along the slope. Any help solving or ideas would be great.

For (c)
You need to follow tiny tim method. Hello Tiny tim is this correct.
For vertical axis
y=0
0=(50cos45)t-(0.5 gcos20)t^2
t=7.525 s
range=(50cos65)*7.525/cos20 =169.21 m
 
That's not what I came up with...

First of all we have:

[tex]V_i = 50 m/s[/tex] (initial velocity)
[tex]\alpha = 45^\circ[/tex] (angle of trajectory)
[tex]\beta = 20^\circ[/tex] (angle of the hill)Therefore,

[tex]V_{ix} = V_i \times cos(\alpha) = V_i \times cos(45^\circ)[/tex] (initial horizontal velocity)
[tex]V_{iy} = V_i \times sin(\alpha) = V_i \times sin(45^\circ)[/tex] (initial vertical velocity)but since [itex]cos(45^\circ) = sin(45^\circ)[/tex], we have<br /> <br /> [tex]V_{ix} = V_{iy}[/tex]We know that<br /> <br /> [tex]t = \frac{X}{V_{ix}}[/tex]<br /> <br /> and<br /> <br /> [tex]Y = V_{iy} \cdot t - 4.9t^2[/tex]<br /> <br /> so<br /> <br /> [tex]Y = V_{iy}\cdot \frac{X}{V_{ix}} - 4.9\left(\frac{X^2}{V_{ix}^2}\right)[/tex]<br /> <br /> but since [itex]V_{iy} = V_{ix}[/tex], we have<br /> <br /> [tex]Y = X - 4.9 \cdot \left( \frac{X^2}{V_{ix}^2} \right)[/tex] (equation A)The slope of the hill is [itex]m = tan(\beta) = tan(20^\circ)[/tex] so the equation for the hill is<br /> <br /> [tex]Y = X \cdot tan(20^\circ)[/tex]Substituting for Y in the parabola equation (equation A) gives us<br /> <br /> [tex]X \cdot tan(20^\circ) = X - 4.9 \cdot \left( \frac{X^2}{V_{ix}^2} \right)[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]tan(20^\circ) = 1 - 4.9 \cdot \left( \frac{X}{V_{ix}^2} \right)[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\left(\frac{4.9}{V_{ix}^2}\right) \cdot X = 1 - tan(20^\circ)[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]X = \frac{V_{ix}^2(1 - tan(20^\circ))}{4.9} = \frac{(50 \cdot cos(45^\circ))^2 \cdot (1 - tan(20^\circ))}{4.9}[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]X = \frac{35.355^2 \cdot 0.636}{4.9} = \frac{1250 \cdot 0.636}{4.9} = \frac{795.037}{4.9} = 162.252[/tex]Plug this value back into equation A, above, and you get Y = 59.055<br /> <br /> The distance up the his is found using the Pythagorean Theorem:<br /> <br /> [tex]D^2 = X^2 + Y^2 = 162.252^2 + 59.055^2 = 29813.373[/tex]<br /> <br /> and D = 172.665 m<br /> <br /> (note: I only rounded off in the text, not in my actual calculations)[/itex][/itex][/itex]
 
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