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The discussion revolves around the use of differentials in calculus, specifically in approximating function values and understanding derivatives. Participants are seeking assistance with problems related to calculating differentials and applying the definition of the derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to approximate function values using differentials, questioning how to apply known values of functions and their derivatives. Some are exploring the relationship between delta y and dy, while others are clarifying the definitions and implications of these terms.

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There is active engagement with various interpretations of the problems. Some participants have offered guidance on using the definitions of derivatives and differentials, while others express confusion about how to apply these concepts to specific problems. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with no clear consensus reached.

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Participants are working under time constraints as they prepare for an upcoming calculus test, which may influence their urgency and approach to the problems. There is also mention of specific values and conditions that are relevant to the problems being discussed.

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Im cramming for my cal test tomorrow, and I am having a brain fart right now.

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Heres a few problems on my Cal review i need some help with:

If f(5)=3 and f'(5)=2, use differentials to approx. f(5.01) - no clue what to do, i just need a point in the right direction

[7]
Let f(x) = x^3+2x^2-1 Suppose x = 2 and dx = 0.02

A) Calculate delta y
B) Calculate dy - already done

I solved part b using the equation dy=f'(x)dx but I am stuck on part a
 
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no.10 : use the definition of the derivative and use delta x = 0.01

no.7 : a ) Here again, use the definition of the derivative
b ) great !
Hope it helps
 
peanutplanters said:
Im cramming for my cal test tomorrow, and I am having a brain fart right now.

[10]
Heres a few problems on my Cal review i need some help with:

If f(5)=3 and f'(5)=2, use differentials to approx. f(5.01) - no clue what to do, i just need a point in the right direction

[7]
Let f(x) = x^3+2x^2-1 Suppose x = 2 and dx = 0.02

A) Calculate delta y
B) Calculate dy - already done

I solved part b using the equation dy=f'(x)dx but I am stuck on part a


For the second question I think it's just asking for the difference between the y values at those two points in other words the numerical difference between f(x + dx) and f(x).

For the first question you should know that you can approximate a function around any point where you know the value of the function at that point and the slope of the tangent line at that point, what you're doing is using the tangent line to the function as an approximation to the actual function.

The derivative is defined as the limit of (f(x + h) - f(x))/h as h goes to zero. Now for small h but nonzero h we should be able to say that

f'(x) is approximately equal to (f(x+h) - f(x))/h

and since you have f(5) and f'(5) you can approximate f(5.01).
 
i got question #7

for question #10 however,

f(5)=3 f'(5)=2 approx. f(5.01)=?

im still confused how do my two equations help me solve the problem?

delta y = f(x+delta x) - f(x)
dy = f'(x)dx
 
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peanutplanters said:
im confused here, the equations i have in my notes are:

delta y= f(x+delta x) - f(x)

dy = f'(x)dx

so, delta y= f(5+ 0.01) - 2 ? is this right?


Ok using those equations you have that f(x + delta x) - f(x) = delta y

and dy = f'(x)dx

But for relatively small x delta y and dy are approximately equal so we can substitute the second equation into the first giving

f'(x)dx = f(x + delta x ) - f(x)

so you approximate f(x + delta x ) by the equations above as
f(x + delta x ) = f(x) + f'(x)*(delta x) because we are assuing that for small x dx is approximately equal to delta x.
 
Thanks for all the help, almost finished:

14. Find the function f that satisfies the following conditions:

f ''(x) = sin x , f'(0)=2 , f(pi) = -1

I understand u can take the anti deravitive of f ''(x) and then solve for C then, take the anti deravitive of that ( f(x) ). But I am stuck because there isn't an anti deravitive of sin x. Am i setting this problem up wrong?
 
peanutplanters said:
Thanks for all the help, almost finished:

14. Find the function f that satisfies the following conditions:

f ''(x) = sin x , f'(0)=2 , f(pi) = -1

I understand u can take the anti deravitive of f ''(x) and then solve for C then, take the anti deravitive of that ( f(x) ). But I am stuck because there isn't an anti deravitive of sin x. Am i setting this problem up wrong?

What is the derivitave of cos(x)? How about the derivative of -cos(x)?
 
so -f'(x) = cos x ? therefore f'(x) = -cos x?
 
peanutplanters said:
so -f'(x) = cos x ? therefore f'(x) = -cos x?

Well since you started with f"(x) = sin(x) you technically have f'(x) = -cos(x) +C, and since you know f'(0) =2 you can solve for C then integrate again and repeat the same process to find f(x).
 
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peanutplanters said:
Thanks for all the help, almost finished:

14. Find the function f that satisfies the following conditions:

f ''(x) = sin x , f'(0)=2 , f(pi) = -1

I understand u can take the anti deravitive of f ''(x) and then solve for C then, take the anti deravitive of that ( f(x) ). But I am stuck because there isn't an anti deravitive of sin x. Am i setting this problem up wrong?
Why do you say there is no antiderivative of sinx? It's simply -cos(x) +C !
Then you can integrate this again.

EDIT: apologies to d leet! Had not seen your post!
 
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nrqed said:
Why do you say there is no antiderivative of sinx? It's simply -cos(x) +C !
Then you can integrate this again.

EDIT: apologies to d leet! Had not seen your post!
ahh that makes sense, thanks a lot. both of you thanks
 
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peanutplanters said:
ahh that makes sense, thanks a lot. both of you thanks

Glad to help, and it's good to hear that it makes sense now. Good luck on your test tomorrow.
 

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