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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical proof related to vector calculus, specifically demonstrating that the cross product of a vector field and the gradient of a scalar function is perpendicular to the vector field itself. The context is a homework problem from a mathematical methods for physics course.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster seeks assistance in proving that ∇xv is perpendicular to v, where v is defined as v=ψ∇β.
  • One participant suggests that ∇xv can be expressed as (∇ψ)x(∇β), noting that ∇x∇β=0.
  • Another participant provides a series of steps to consider, including using the identity of the curl of a scalar function multiplying a vector function and the fact that the curl of the gradient of a scalar function is zero.
  • The original poster expresses difficulty in concluding that the last scalar triple product results in zero, indicating confusion about the reasoning involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a collaborative effort to solve the problem, but there is no consensus on how to finalize the proof, as the original poster remains uncertain about the conclusion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the identities and properties of vector calculus, particularly regarding the scalar triple product and the application of the curl operator.

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Dear all,
I am new to this forum and this is my first post.
I hope this is the right place to open this topic.

I have a homework for my mathematical methods for physics course and i am kind of stuck into a question:

v=ψ∇β
show that ∇xv is perpendicular to v.

Here v is a vector
x is cross product
∇ is gradient vector operator
ψ and β are non-vectoral functions

I know it seems obvious, but i need mathematical proof which probably contains some identities of triple cross product with del operator.
Like i said, i couldn't figure it out.

Already now, i want to thank you for all your help.
 
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hint
∇xv=(∇ψ)x(∇β)
which is obvious from
∇x∇β=0
 
Hello AdvPhys,a) Use the identity of the curl of a scalar function multiplying a vector function
b) Use the fact that the curl of the gradient of a scalar function is 0
c) How do you prove that two vectors are perpendicular?
d) Conclude.

[Edit: previous post was giving too much info]
 
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Thanks for replies.
But still can't figure out how to conclude the last scalar triple product gives 0.

Edit: I got that it is obvious. I have the same vector in both parts.

Again thank you for your help.
 
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