Need help with partial differential equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating a property of partial derivatives related to the function z = √(3x/y). Participants are exploring the relationship between mixed partial derivatives and the Laplace equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equality of mixed partial derivatives and question the initial setup of the problem. Some express confusion about the application of the Laplace equation and the process of taking partial derivatives.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants offering clarifications on the notation and the steps involved in taking partial derivatives. There is recognition of confusion among newer participants, and attempts to guide them through understanding the problem are evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with the notation and the process of taking partial derivatives, which may impact their ability to progress in the problem. There is also mention of a potential miscommunication regarding the relevant equations.

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Homework Statement


Given that z = √3x/y show that:


Homework Equations


2z/∂x∂y = ∂2z/∂y∂x

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Both sides of that equation are the same, did you mistype something?
 
Yes I did, that's it sorted now.
 
Ahh, as I suspected. Have you made an attempt yet?
 
Thanks for spotting that.No I am pretty lost to be honest. I am fairly new to this. I believe I am working with the Laplace equation though
 
Needhelp2013 said:
Thanks for spotting that.No I am pretty lost to be honest. I am fairly new to this. I believe I am working with the Laplace equation though

I think you're thinking too hard, you know how to take a partial derivative I assume?
 
The equation under "Relevant Equations" is what you're trying to show, correct?
 
Yes the equation under "Relevant Equations" is what I'm trying to show. There could be a simple solution but I'm missing it. I tried substituting what 'z=' into the laplace equation but that didnt get me anywhere.
 
Needhelp2013 said:
I tried substituting what 'z=' into the laplace equation but that didnt get me anywhere.

Exactly what I meant by thinking too hard. All that it's asking you to do is show that if you take the derivative of z with respect to x and then y, it's the same as taking the derivative of z with respect to y and then x. In other words, show:

[itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial y}(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}) = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\frac{\partial z}{\partial y})[/itex]

Does that make any more sense now?
 
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I am just trying to work out how to read the latex way of writing equations. Ill get it. Thanks for that.
 
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bossman27 said:
Exactly what I meant by thinking too hard. All that it's asking you to do is show that if you take the derivative of z with respect to x and then y, it's the same as taking the derivative of z with respect to y and then x. In other words, show:

[itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial y}(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}) = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\frac{\partial z}{\partial y})[/itex]

Does that make any more sense now?

Is your equation meaning this ∂y/zx = ∂x/zy

any other help would be great because I am struggling to realize where to go next.
 
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You can't read that equation? It should read: ∂/∂y(∂z/∂x) = ∂/∂x(∂z/y)
 
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bossman27 said:
You can't read that equation? It should read: ∂/∂y(∂z/∂x) = ∂/∂x(∂z/y)

Thanks again.Is the next step now to bring the ∂z over to the other side and that is it complete?
 
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No, figure out the parts in the parentheses first. That is, find ∂z/∂x and ∂z/∂y.

You don't seem to be familiar with taking partial derivatives, so here's a quick explanation:

∂z/∂x = the derivative of z with respect to x; treat y as if it were a constant (i.e. just a number). Simply take the x derivative like you would for dz/dx, if y was just some number.

∂z/∂y is exactly the same, just switch x and y in my instructions.
 

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