Need help with relative velocity problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves relative velocity in a two-dimensional context, where Amy is traveling north at 60 mph and Bob is approaching from the west on an on-ramp, initially at 40 mph and later at varying speeds and directions. The discussion focuses on calculating Bob's speed relative to Amy at different instances as he changes direction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of vector components to determine relative velocity, with some expressing uncertainty about the correct setup for the problem. There are attempts to visualize the scenario through diagrams and questions about the angles involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on breaking down the velocity vectors into components and suggested using Pythagorean theorem for resultant calculations. There is ongoing exploration of how to accurately represent the vectors and their components, with no explicit consensus reached on the final calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a resource for further clarification, indicating that there may be gaps in understanding the graphical representation of vectors and their addition. The discussion reflects a learning process with varying levels of confidence in the approaches taken.

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Homework Statement


Amy is traveling at 60mph on the highway, due North. The on-ramp nearby starts out going West, and then curves around so that eventually it is also North, parallel to the highway.
A) Bob appears, traveling 40mph going West (on the onramp). What is his speed relative to Amy?
B) In the next moment, he is heading due Northwest, now going 50mph. What is his speed relative to Amy now?
C) Finally, he is in the Northward position, and is accelerating to 55mph. What is his speed relative to Amy now?

Homework Equations


I think this involves some basic trig to calculate the vector components / actual vectors.

The Attempt at a Solution


So I am a little fuzzy on the whole relative velocity when objects are moving towards each other at angles. For the last part, (C), I believe it would be 5mph, because relative to her speed, he is going 5mph slower that she is.

I attempted part (A) by setting up a right triangle where the Y-Component is 60mph, the X-Component is 40mph, and solved for the resultant vector, which yielded √602 + 402 = 72.1 mph. I am not entirely sure if this is even the correct approach however.

For part (B), I am a little confused about how exactly the diagram should look like. All I know is that Northwest would be 45°, but I don't how the triangle itself would look.
 
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Funny, I was actually looking at that page yesterday when I was attempting it. It helped me understand how I might create the diagram, but I still feel don't feel confident about it. Here is what I think the diagram looks like:
relativevelocity_zpsda0ri2nw.png

But again, I'm not sure.
 
dlacombe13 said:
Funny, I was actually looking at that page yesterday when I was attempting it. It helped me understand how I might create the diagram, but I still feel don't feel confident about it. Here is what I think the diagram looks like:
relativevelocity_zpsda0ri2nw.png

But again, I'm not sure.

That is right :D, Now you have two vectors.
Two get the relative velocity you need to add these vectors up. If a vector has an angle then it has two components vertical and horizontal.
Amy's velocity vector doesn't angle so it only has y component.

So let's just break them into two components,
Bob:
Vx = 50 cos Theta
Vy = 50 sin theta

What about amy? can you figure it out?
Now if draw them up and add them as usual if they are in the same direction then you have to add them if they are in opposite direction you have to subtract them.
Once you finish that, You will end up with 1 vector in the y direction and 1 vector in the x direction. Now you get resultant vector through pythagoras.
 
I'm not sure if I did it right, here's what I did:

Bob:
Vx = 50cos45° = 35.35 i
Vy = 50sin45° = 35.35 j

Amy:
Vx = 0 i
Vy = 60 j

So:
(35.35 i + 0 i) + (35.35 j + 60 j ) ==> 35.35 i + 95.35 j ==> √35.352 + 95.352 = 101.69mph
 
dlacombe13 said:
I'm not sure if I did it right, here's what I did:

Bob:
Vx = 50cos45° = 35.35 i
Vy = 50sin45° = 35.35 j

Amy:
Vx = 0 i
Vy = 60 j

So:
(35.35 i + 0 i) + (35.35 j + 60 j ) ==> 35.35 i + 95.35 j ==> √35.352 + 95.352 = 101.69mph
Well done, But just a question.. What does I and J represent?
 
i and j are just a fancy way of saying x-direction and y-direction. So i = x-direction and j = y-direction. I think k = z-direction, but I haven't learned that yet. Btw, thanks for the help, I appreciate it a lot!
 
dlacombe13 said:
i and j are just a fancy way of saying x-direction and y-direction. So i = x-direction and j = y-direction. I think k = z-direction, but I haven't learned that yet. Btw, thanks for the help, I appreciate it a lot!
Oh, No problem :D
 

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