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The discussion revolves around the design and mechanics of a rotational device intended for boring rifle barrels. Participants explore the relationship between the movement of a rack assembly and the rotation of a pinion gear, considering factors such as the angle of the rod, gear sizes, and potential sources for components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the size and pitch of the rack assembly and pinion gear are critical for achieving one complete revolution per every 4 feet of bed travel, suggesting flexibility due to an adjustment rod.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of using a 15.28" diameter wheel with a string for achieving the desired rotation, highlighting the complications introduced by the angled rod and potential backlash in the rack and pinion system.
  • A participant mentions the need for positional accuracy is not critical in this application, suggesting that adjustments could be made to achieve the desired rotation.
  • There are recommendations for using a larger pinion gear to provide more leverage, specifically suggesting a 48 tooth on a 24 pitch rack.
  • Participants share sources for purchasing rack and pinion components, with McMaster-Carr being frequently recommended for its reliability and prompt shipping.
  • One participant raises a question about the necessity of the travel requirement on the slide for proper rifling, indicating a potential connection to the design's effectiveness.
  • Another participant notes that adjusting the angle of the shaft can influence the number of revolutions per given travel, while also stating that the length of slide travel is not critical for the intended application.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the design and mechanics of the device, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the criticality of certain design elements. Multiple competing ideas regarding gear selection and mechanical setup remain unresolved.

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Participants discuss the implications of the angled rod on the accuracy of rotation and the potential for backlash in the rack and pinion system. There are also considerations regarding the sourcing of components and the specific requirements for the application of the device.

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Please refer to the drawing located at http://www.pineridge7.com/sw3/images/plan.jpg for reference.

My plan is to make a simple rotational device. As the slide is manually pushed the length of the stationary bed the rack assembly will follow the angled 1" rod (slide). The rack assembly will move toward the bed rotating the pinion gear and jack-shaft. I am needing the jack-shaft to make but one complete revolution per every 4 foot of bed travel. The angle of the 1" rod (slide) can be changed and locked into position by the adjustmant rod and T-locks.

Is the size and pitch of the rack assembly/pinion gear critical for this rotation per length or will the adjustment rod make the machine flexible enough to use most and rack and pinion that I come across?
 
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The angled rod complicates things since now you need to use trig, and if the rack should not be perpendicular to the slide the rotation would be off, along with the backlash of the rack/pinnion.

Instead, a 15.28" diameter wheel with a string attached to one end would offer a single rotation per 4' of linear travel, and the cicumfrence could be marked to offer per inch increments easily enough. If you need rotation inline with the slide motion, you could use two bevel gears to transfer the rotation to that axis.
 
Cliff I am attempting to duplicate a machine that has been used successfully in Sweden for some years to bore rifle barrels. A picture of the working model may be seen at this link.
http://www.pineridge7.com/sw3/images/sweden1.jpg
 
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Well, since you are not using it to measure something where positional accuracy is important, then yes it would be pretty simple to adjust the offset to dial in the single revolution.

I'd consider trying to use a medium to larger pinion, it will require a longer offset for the angled bar but would give you a little more leverage on the turning of that shaft. By larger I mean something like a 48 tooth on a 24 pitch rack.
 
Cliff thanks very much for your suggestion, we will follow your advice. This is just the kind of information that I was seeking.

I'm off to MacMaster.com to see what they have to offer in rack & pinions. Anyone know of an alternative source for these items?
 
You'll have better luck with mcmaster.com :smile:

I've had good experience with McMaster-Carr and with a nearby location the shipping is very prompt. Another choice might be sdp-si.com but haven't ordered from them yet, and there are a few other sources as well. You can even find a slightly (or heavily) used gears on ebay once in a while, stuff that would otherwise be quite a bit more expensive. You can even get new-in-box precision THK linear bearings quite reasonable sometimes. Worth a search (or 100), a deal happens once in a while on there with some leftover item.
 
McMaster is always the best. No doubt about it. If you need another source, you can also try Grainger.

Looking at this, is the travel requirement on the slide a requirement for proper rifling? I occasionally use a shope here to help manufacture prototype shafts. They specialize in gun boring. It's interesting stuff.
 
FredGarvin said:
McMaster is always the best. No doubt about it. If you need another source, you can also try Grainger.

Looking at this, is the travel requirement on the slide a requirement for proper rifling? I occasionally use a shope here to help manufacture prototype shafts. They specialize in gun boring. It's interesting stuff.


Fred by increasing or decreasing the angle of the shaft on the right you can increase or decrease the number of revolutions per any given travel. However the length of the slide travel is not critical. most machines that I am aware of are shorter than the one I am building to handle pistol barrels.
 

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