Need help with the reaction of neutrons and electrons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of a proposed reaction involving neutrons and high-energy electrons, specifically the reaction n + e^{-} → Δ^{-} + ν_e. Participants explore whether this reaction is permissible under various conservation laws and the implications of weak interactions in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of the reaction n + e^{-} → Δ^{-} + ν_e, asking if it is forbidden by conservation laws.
  • Another participant explains that the reaction is weak in nature, noting that charge and baryon number are conserved, but raises questions about angular momentum conservation.
  • There is a discussion about the dominance of electromagnetic interactions over weak interactions in high-energy electron collisions, which may affect the likelihood of the proposed reaction occurring.
  • A participant draws a parallel between the proposed reaction and neutrino deep inelastic scattering processes, suggesting that while energy thresholds may be a consideration, they do not inherently forbid the interaction.
  • Concerns are raised about the experimental challenges posed by electromagnetic forces overshadowing weak interactions in the context of the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the reaction, with some supporting its potential under certain conditions while others emphasize the challenges and possible prohibitions based on conservation laws and interaction dominance. No consensus is reached regarding the permissibility of the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various conservation laws, including angular momentum and energy, but do not resolve whether all necessary conditions for the reaction are met. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interactions at high energies and the potential for overshadowing effects from stronger forces.

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Please let me know if the following reaction is possible for high energy electrons colliding with neutrons or neutron-rich nuclei:
<br /> n+e^{-}\to \Delta^{-}+\nu_e.\tag{1}<br />
If it is forbidden for some conservation law or for some other reason, please give me an explanation why. This reaction is analogous to the following ones, which are not forbidden:
<br /> \begin{gather}<br /> p+p\to D+e^{+}+\nu_e,\tag{2}\\<br /> n\to p+e^{-}+\bar\nu_e,\tag{3}\\<br /> p+e^{-}\to n+\nu_e.\tag{4}<br /> \end{gather}<br />
 
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Is this homework?
 
No. Not a homework assignment. I am 57, too old for homework. I just want to discuss the reaction that I did not find anywhere on the Web.
 
Hello,

The interaction for case (1) is weak, because a charged lepton is turned into neutral lepton. So, the quantum numbers that must be conserved are electrical charge (ok), barionic number (ok), energy (ok?). Let's see angular momentum:

J(n) = 1/2
J(e-)=1/2
J(D-)=3/2
J(ne)=1/2

The combination of J_in = 1/2 x 1/2 = {1,0} (neutron + electron angular momentum)
The combination of J_out = 3/2 x 1/2 x L = {2,1,0} x L (D- + neutrino angular momentum

So if L = 3,2,1 or 0, the total angular momentum is conserved. Let's say angular momentum can be conserved.

If the reaction is mediated by the weak interaction, parity can be violated.

Maybe I am forgetting something, but I don't remember other quantum numbers that must be conserved for weak interactions.

From the experimental point of view, if neutrinos are involved in the reaction, the effects of electromagnetic force neutron-electron (which are orders of magnitude stronger) will disguise/shadow of the weak interactions; ie, the cross section of this reaction will be much smaller than other possible reactions (n+e- -> other things).

I hope it can help.

Regards,
ORF
 
Ruslan_Sharipov said:
Please let me know if the following reaction is possible for high energy electrons colliding with neutrons or neutron-rich nuclei:
<br /> n+e^{-}\to \Delta^{-}+\nu_e.\tag{1}<br />
If it is forbidden for some conservation law or for some other reason […]
I just want to discuss the reaction that I did not find anywhere on the Web.
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Well it is not so absent from out there... it's very similar to the neutrino deep inelastic scattering processes, where the electron and neutrino are swapped (you shoot neutrinos and study the inner structure of the protons/neutrons). Of course the charges need readjustment.

ORF said:
energy (ok?)
You don't really have to think about the energy in MANY--->MANY processes in order to say if they are forbidden or not. Of course you might need a threshold to produce the final state particles but that doesn't forbid the interaction for you.
 
ChrisVer said:
Well it is not so absent from out there... it's very similar to the neutrino deep inelastic scattering processes, where the electron and neutrino are swapped (you shoot neutrinos and study the inner structure of the protons/neutrons). Of course the charges need readjustment.
For neutrinos you have weak interactions only, so it is (comparatively) easy to study them. For electrons at the energies needed for this reaction you have the electromagnetic interaction which will completely dominate the collision processes.
 
mfb said:
For neutrinos you have weak interactions only, so it is (comparatively) easy to study them. For electrons at the energies needed for this reaction you have the electromagnetic interaction which will completely dominate the collision processes.

Yup. Noting though that I was referring to whether the interaction is forbidden or not.
 

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