Need help with Vector Calculus problems due tomorrow!

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The discussion revolves around vector calculus problems involving determinants and vector operations, specifically focusing on proving identities related to the scalar triple product and cross products.

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  • Participants suggest expanding determinants and performing operations on vector components to approach the problems. Some inquire about the meaning of LHS (Left Hand Side) and RHS (Right Hand Side) in the context of the identities being discussed.

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Several participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problems, including expanding determinants and understanding vector relationships. There is ongoing exploration of why certain identities hold true, particularly regarding the equality of different determinant forms.

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Participants express uncertainty about vector operations and the implications of the identities being discussed, indicating a need for clarification on foundational concepts such as determinants and vector products.

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Vectorcalculus! Help Needed B4 Tomorrow!

NOTE: bold characters are vectors

Could somebody please help me to show that:

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8651/problem6dx.gif

and to proof:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6641/problem26dw.gif

I haven't had any explanations on vectors & determinants and my teacher asks me to solve this problem... I know how determinants work, but I don't know how to translate this to the vector problem above. Please help me! I need to finish this by tomorrow (just heard it today)!
 
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Find LHS and RHS indepedently and then prove that you are reaching the same result. If you have a bit more problems please show how you argued so that I can tell what is wrong in your argument.
 
For the first problem, expand the determinant of the matrix for the cross product, for example, AxB is the determinant of:
[tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}i&b_x&c_x\\j&b_y&c_y\\k&b_z&c_z\end{array}\right)[/tex]
expand that determinant, and then do the dot product of it, and it is quite obviously the determinant of the matrix shown, and obviously C.(AxB) is true, since they relate to the properties of vectors.
* The i,j and k in the matrix represent the components of the vectors.

Did you know that Ax(BxC) = (AxB)xC, etc. Do you thing you can do that one now.

Hope that helps you with most of it.:biggrin:
 
firs tdo the determinant.
change all the vectors to their components. then do each operation.

cross AxB=(aybz-byaz,azbx-bzax,axby-bxay)
Dot A.B=(axbx+ayby+azbz);
 
finchie_88 said:
Did you know that Ax(BxC) = (AxB)xC, etc. Do you thing you can do that one now.

The cross-product is not associative!
Look at the OP's identity (1)... the Jacobi Identity. Bringing the last term on the LHS of (1) onto the other side is your RHS.
 
I managed to figure out why A . (B x C) has the give determinant, but why do C . (A x B) and B . (C x A) have the same deteriminant? The drawn determinant is a det(ABC) and the other two would be det(CAB) and det(BCA) ...
 
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What is LHS and RHS actually?!
 
As to why the three are equal, this is because the parallelepiped created by A, B and C is the absolute value of this (it is called the scalar triple product).

For the second set, first show #2 by xpanding it out. #1 follows from that.
 
Could you explain a bit more ... I don't get what you're saying...
 
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Lisa... said:
What is LHS and RHS actually?!

I may be missinterpreting you, but LHS means Left Hand Side, and RHS is the Right Hand Side.

Hope that helps,

Gareth
 
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look on line for the image of parallelpipe...best website choice is probably mathworld.com
 

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