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The discussion revolves around wreath products and standard wreath products in group theory, with a focus on understanding their definitions and properties. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the topic and seeks additional resources for clarification.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the basic structure of wreath products, including the actions of groups on sets and the formation of standard wreath products. There are inquiries about relevant resources and equations, as well as attempts to clarify the concept through examples.

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Some participants have provided helpful insights and references to literature that may aid in understanding wreath products. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the topic, with no explicit consensus reached on all aspects of the discussion.

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The original poster notes a lack of information in their textbook, which has led to confusion. There is mention of specific homework problems related to the topic, including one that involves proving properties of the standard wreath product.

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Hello,
My book has all of 1 page about wreath products and standard wreath products. I'm really lost on this topic and I have 4 homework problems using it. Does anyone know where I could find a little more info on the topic?


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Intuition for wreath products

What book is that? Cameron, Permutation Groups is short and very readable and quite fascinating book, which might help. I don't seem to see the "relevant equations" (am I the only one?), but the basic idea is pretty simple: given two groups G,H acting on X,Y, to form the wreath product action you simply make |X| copies of the H-set Y and then let G act on that by permutating the copies as per the G-set X.

HTH
 
This book is by Robinson "A Course in the Theory of Groups"
The "Relevant Equations" look like this

Let H and K be permutation groups acting on the sets X and Y respectively. Then H~K=<H(y),K^*|\y in Y>is the wreath product.

Then:
If H and K are arbitrary groups, we can think of them as permutation groups an their underlying sets via the right regular representation and form of their wreath product W=H~K: this is called the standard wreath product.

On of my HW problems is:
Prove that the standard wreath product Z~Z is finitely generated but that it has a non-finitely generated subgroup.

I'm just lost on this concept. I'll have to come back to it later. This book doesn't say anything about |X| copies. I'll try to find your book at the library.
CC
 
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This only deals with the finite case.
You're familiar with the direct product, right?

So, for example if we have a group [itex]H[/itex], then elements of
[itex]H \times H[/itex] are ordered pairs [itex](h_1,h_2)[/itex] and the product is defined in the obvious way:
[tex](h_1,h_2) \times (g_1,g_2)=(h_1 g_1, h_2 g_2)[/tex]

And this readily generalizes to any finite power of [tex]H[/tex].

Now, let's say we have some finite group [itex]G[/itex] with [itex]n=|G|[/itex]. Then, we know that [itex]G < S_n[/itex] from Caley's theorem - that is, we can consider the elements of [itex]G[/itex] to be permutations of [itex]n[/itex] elements.

Now, consider [itex]H^n[/itex] (which is the direct product of [itex]n[/itex] copies of [itex]H[/itex]). Each element of this group is an ordered [itex]n[/itex]-tuple of elements of [itex]H[/itex].

If we consider the elements of [itex]G[/itex] as permutations, we can allow them to act on the elements of [itex]H^n[/itex] by permuting them:
If
[tex]\vec{h}=\left( h_1,h_2...h_n \right)[/tex]
then
[tex]g \cdot \vec{h} = \left(h_{g(1)},h_{g(2)}...h_{g(n)}\right)[/tex]

So, if we consider the elements of the cartesian product [itex]G \times H^n[/itex], we can define a group operation on them:
[tex](g_1,\vec{h}_1) * (g_2,\vec{h}_2) = (g_1 g_2, g_1 \cdot (\vec{h}_1 \vec{h}_2))[/tex]
 
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Wow! Thanks! That really helps! I am MUCH more clear on the concept now. I'll give my HW problem another look with your info at hand.
CC
 

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