NEED HOMEWORK HELP Mass/Spring/Pendulum system

In summary, the conversation is about deriving an expression for the period of an oscillating system with a pendulum of length L and a bob of mass M attached to a spring with force constant k. The problem also gives a specific value for M and the period in the absence of the spring. The conversation includes a request for help and clarification on how to approach the problem, and a suggestion to start by drawing a free-body diagram and using energy methods or Newton's second law to derive the equation of motion.
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Homework Statement



The figure below shows a pendulum of length L with a bob of mass M. The bob is attached to a spring that has a force constant k. When the bob is directly below the pendulum support, the spring is unstressed. Derive an expression for the period of this oscillating system for small-amplitude vibrations (assume there is no displacement from the horizontal). Suppose that M = 1.80 kg and L is such that in the absence of the spring the period is 2.90 s. What is the force constant k if the period of the oscillating system is 1.45 s?

2. The attempt at a solution

Tpendulum = 2pi*[itex]\sqrt{L/g}[/itex]
then L= 2.089 m

...I seriously have no idea what to do next please help asap.
 
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I think essentially what they are asking for is that when the pendulum collides with the spring, the mass sticks to the spring and then it oscillates. So it is essentially just a mass on a spring. In that case you can the expression for the force on a spring to get the SHM equation for it. (Start by writing how force relates to extension and spring constant, then apply Newton's 2nd law)
 
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...can you try to solve it? When I say I have no idea how to do this problem, I mean I really don't get it.

Or at least give me a formula/derivation
 
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ss883 said:
...can you try to solve it? When I say I have no idea how to do this problem, I mean I really don't get it.

Or at least give me a formula/derivation

Do you know how to derive equations of motion using energy methods or by using Newton's second law?

For both methods you need to draw a free-body diagram. So start with that.
 
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I understand that sometimes homework can be challenging and it's important to seek help when needed. In this case, it seems like you have made a good attempt at solving the problem but have hit a roadblock. I would suggest going back to the basics and reviewing the equations and concepts related to simple harmonic motion and pendulums. This will help you better understand the problem and how to approach it. Additionally, you can also seek help from your teacher or classmates, or even consult online resources or textbooks for further guidance. Keep in mind that understanding the concept and process is more important than just getting the right answer. Good luck!
 

FAQ: NEED HOMEWORK HELP Mass/Spring/Pendulum system

What is a mass/spring/pendulum system?

A mass/spring/pendulum system is a physical system consisting of a mass attached to a spring and a pendulum. The mass and spring are connected at one end, while the pendulum is attached to the other end of the spring. This system is commonly used to study simple harmonic motion and oscillations.

What factors affect the behavior of a mass/spring/pendulum system?

The behavior of a mass/spring/pendulum system is affected by several factors, including the mass of the object, the stiffness of the spring, and the length of the pendulum. The angle of release and the initial velocity also play a role in determining the system's behavior.

What is simple harmonic motion?

Simple harmonic motion is a type of periodic motion in which the restoring force is directly proportional to the displacement from the equilibrium position. In other words, it is a repetitive motion in which the acceleration is proportional to the displacement and always directed towards the equilibrium position.

How can I calculate the period of a mass/spring/pendulum system?

The period of a mass/spring/pendulum system can be calculated using the equation T = 2π√(m/k), where T is the period, m is the mass, and k is the spring constant. The period can also be calculated using the length of the pendulum, with the formula T = 2π√(L/g), where L is the length of the pendulum and g is the acceleration due to gravity.

What are some real-life applications of a mass/spring/pendulum system?

A mass/spring/pendulum system has many practical applications, such as in clocks, musical instruments, and shock absorbers. It is also used in seismometers to measure earthquakes and in suspension systems of vehicles to reduce vibrations and improve stability.

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