Need to solve a mechanical problem that's due on Wednesday

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The discussion revolves around a mechanical engineering homework problem involving the optimization of a system composed of three competing beams. Participants are tasked with calculating the optimum configuration to minimize the material's weight, considering factors such as admissible strain, load, and elasticity. The conversation includes attempts to formulate equations and explore the implications of different configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of guidance from their professor and the confusion among classmates regarding how to approach the problem.
  • Another suggests writing equations for the lengths of each beam in terms of angles and summing them to represent total material mass, proposing to find the minima of that equation while ensuring load limits are not exceeded.
  • A different participant questions the relationship between length and admissible tension, expressing uncertainty about their understanding of the problem and the complexity it presents.
  • One participant proposes using scale force diagrams for the loaded node, noting that the problem is statically indeterminate in 2D but determinate in 3D, which could provide insights into minimizing weight.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on how to solve the problem, with multiple competing ideas and approaches being discussed. Uncertainty remains regarding the relationships between variables and the overall methodology for optimization.

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Participants express limitations in their mathematical skills and understanding of the problem, indicating that assumptions about load limits and configurations may not be fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


The system is composed of 3 competing ( one after another) beams, like in the drawing. They are all from the same material, with the same admissible strain σ and the same elasticity module E.
It is required to calculate the optimum configuration for the system, considering the main objective function to be the material's weight.

I put the drawing in the attachment.


Homework Equations


Need to find:
σ=? ( admissible strain)
P=?
L=?
E=?

I don't need the scalar values.

The Attempt at a Solution



Nobody in my class knows how to solve this, our professor didn't want to help at all, even if he was asked several times. Everybody just gave up and nobody even knows where to start.
 

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Not sure i can solve it but can you write equations for the length of each member in terms of some angle, then sum those together to give a total length. That should be representative of the total material mass. Then find the minima for that equation. Then check that in that configuration the load on each member is less than some limit.

Problem is the max load in one of the members might be exceeded in that configuration. My maths isn't good enough but I suspect that instead of solving for the minima of a curve you need to do something similar in multiple dimensions.
 
The length isn't really an issue, it can be formulated using the angles. Or at least that's just an idea, but length is also dependent on the admissible tension, which I can't figure out. I don't think I even know what I'm saying anymore, this whole problem, when I think about it all at once, just confuses the hell out of me.

At any rate, I got no idea what to do.
 
If it's all in one plane (the plane of the paper) then you should be able to draw a range of scale force diagrams for the loaded node. In 2-d it is statically indeterminate, but in 3-d it is determinate. The diagrams could imply a way of minimising the weight (length).
 

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