Internal stresses of an accelerating body

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating internal stresses in a deformable solid, specifically a wing attached to a main body, under acceleration. The original poster is seeking to understand how to determine these stresses to prevent material failure, expressing uncertainty about their approach and the assumptions involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use bending stress formulas and considers the effects of rigid body acceleration, but questions the validity of their approach due to unrealistic results for dimensions. Some participants suggest treating the wing as a separate body and using different methods to analyze the forces and moments involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, including the appropriateness of using D'Alembert forces versus treating the wing as a rigid body. There is a recognition of confusion surrounding the application of these concepts, and some guidance has been offered regarding modeling techniques and the nature of the loads involved.

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There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding load distribution and the modeling approach, with some participants noting the potential for confusion in applying certain methods. The original poster has not provided detailed calculations or results, which may be necessary for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


Refer to image attached.
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Lets say I have a deformable solid that is being accelerated by a force that is equally distributed along the back face of the Main Body that is drawn in the picture. Attached to this Main Body is a Wing. At high accelerations, there will be inertial stresses that reach a maximum at the base of the wing where it is attached to the Main Body. How can I calculate those stresses? I need to find these stresses so that I can determine how large d has to be in order to prevent material failure. I am kind of lost at where to start.

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The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt:


I tried making a cut at the base of the wing (viewed from bottom of the picture shown above)

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From here I can take sum of the moments to find the bending stress caused by the moment, M.

The equation I get is:

-M = mwingaw/2.

Then I plug into bending stress formula for cantilever beam and compare to the yield stress:

max|=|M|d / (2I) ≤ σyield

where I = 1/12 L d3

If I solve the equations above for d so that σ does not exceed my yield stress, I end up getting unrealistically small values for d. I don't think my approach is correct because I believe it assumes rigid body acceleration when this is not the case. Maybe there's a continuum mechanics approach that involves solving a differential equation to take into account these inertial stresses of a non-rigid accelerating body.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Mike J said:
I don't think my approach is correct because I believe it assumes rigid body acceleration when this is not the case.
It looks ok to me, provided the deformation of the wing is relatively small. If it flexes hugely then of course the moment is reduced a little.
Mike J said:
If I solve the equations above for d so that σ does not exceed my yield stress, I end up getting unrealistically small values for d
Please show your working and result, and say why you think it is unrealistic.
 
You have treated the acceleration as a D'Alembert force. This is often very confusing. Instead, I recommend simply treating the wind as a separate body (as you have done), and write F = M*a and the corresponding moment equation. The validity of the whole process should become more evident when you do.
 
You have tried to treat the acceleration using a D'Alembert force. This is often confusing.

Instead, treat the wing as a separate body with a required (known, specified) acceleration, write F = m*a and the corresponding moment equation, and solve for the internal moment and shear force.
 
This should be modeled as a plate rather than a beam. In addition, the load should be distributed, rather than concentrated at the center of mass. Also, there is a shear force at the built-in end. Let's see your shear force diagram, and your moment diagram.
 
Chestermiller said:
the load should be distributed, rather than concentrated at the center of mass
Does that matter if we only want the moment at the point of attachment?
 
Chestermiller said:
This should be modeled as a plate rather than a beam. In addition, the load should be distributed, rather than concentrated at the center of mass. Also, there is a shear force at the built-in end. Let's see your shear force diagram, and your moment diagram.

In actual fact, there is no load at the center of mass or anywhere else except at the connection with the main body. The "load" that Chestermiller refers to presumably is the m*a "force" which is no force at all. There is no need to distribute any load, particularly one that is not there. This can all be handled by treating the wing as a single rigid body, and writing F = m*a and the corresponding rotational equation.
 
Dr.D said:
In actual fact, there is no load at the center of mass or anywhere else except at the connection with the main body. The "load" that Chestermiller refers to presumably is the m*a "force" which is no force at all. There is no need to distribute any load, particularly one that is not there. This can all be handled by treating the wing as a single rigid body, and writing F = m*a and the corresponding rotational equation.
I prefer inertial frames too, but both methods are perfectly valid
 
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Done correctly, D'Alembert will get to the answer, but I think that this is the whole reason we are discussing this thread, that is, the confusion it so often causes.
 
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Dr.D said:
I think that this is the whole reason we are discussing this thread, that is, the confusion it so often causes.
It may be the reason you are posting on this thread but I see no evidence the OP is concerned about that. @Mike J wrote that he didn't believe the answers he got, but as he has so far failed to respond with any data on those answers or why he does not believe them it's hard to take it any further.
 
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haruspex said:
Does that matter if we only want the moment at the point of attachment?
No. I stand corrected. However, I still contend that the stress should be calculated as for plate bending rather than beam bending (because of the low aspect ratio of the piece).
 

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