Negative work, positive work problems

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of negative and positive work in the context of bringing charges from infinity to specific positions, as illustrated in Example 23.2 from University Physics by Young and Freedman.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of work done by external forces when moving charges, questioning why negative work occurs despite the external force appearing to act in the same direction as the movement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify the reasoning behind the signs of work done. Some guidance has been offered regarding the sequential approach to bringing charges from infinity and the implications of attraction between charges.

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There is a noted language barrier for some participants, which may affect the clarity of their questions and understanding. The discussion also highlights the importance of considering the assembly of charge distributions and the forces involved in that process.

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Example 23.2 in University Physics of Young and Freedman, i have a confusion with Negative work, positive work
In question b, Why the external force does a negative work (as i know, when you put three charges from infinity to the point of need identified, we will always do a force has the same way with objects)
Example 23.2:
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cuongbui1702 said:
Example 23.2 in University Physics of Young and Freedman, i have a confusion with Negative work, positive work
In question b, Why the external force does a negative work (as i know, when you put three charges from infinity to the point of need identified, we will always do a force has the same way with objects)
I don't understand your question or your diagram.

Imagine each charge is brought one at a time from infinity to its final position. Figure out the work done in each case. Add the work up to get the total work.
 
The external force is in the opposite direction to the attraction between the opposite charges so it does negative work as the charges approach each other.
 
Sorry because english is second language, so that i writte so bad. I mean external force is same direction of movement, why the work is negative
 
cuongbui1702 said:
Sorry because english is second language, so that i writte so bad. I mean external force is same direction of movement, why the work is negative
Again, you must consider how the charge distribution is assembled from infinity. Start with the first charge in its final position. Then bring in the second charge from infinity to its final position. Since that charge is attracted to the first, you must exert an outward force to bring it there (at uniform speed), thus moving that second charge involves negative work. Adding the third charge, as you've seen in part a, involves positive work. But the net work is negative.
 

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