Neglecting terms in a Lagrangian

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The discussion centers on the Lagrangian \(\mathcal{L}=\bar{u}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Du+\bar{d}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Dd-m_u\bar{u}u-m_d\bar{d}d\), specifically addressing the neglect of the quark mass terms \(m_u\) and \(m_d\) when they are small. This approximation is justified through the Dirac equation, where small quantities are set to zero to simplify calculations. However, this neglect alters the symmetry structure of the theory, complicating the limit as \(m_q \to 0\). The discussion also connects this approximation to spontaneous symmetry breaking in Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD), highlighting the emergence of massless Goldstone bosons.

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Say we have a Lagrangian \mathcal{L}=\bar{u}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Du+\bar{d}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Dd-m_u\bar{u}u-m_d\bar{d}d,
where u and d are fermions. In Peskin&Schroeder p. 667 it says that if m_u and m_d are very small, we can neglect the last two terms of the Lagrangian.

I'd like to know a somewhat rigorous reason for this.
 
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Ok nevermind, it's just from the Dirac equation.
 
In physics, quantities which are small compared to others are simply set to zero as an approximation. This is exactly what happens here.
 
The problem is that setting the quark masses to zero changes the symmetry structure of the theory. Therefore for some effects there is no smooth limit to mq → 0.
 
Polyrhythmic said:
In physics, quantities which are small compared to others are simply set to zero as an approximation. This is exactly what happens here.

True for numbers, but the components of the Lagrangian are operators.

tom.stoer said:
The problem is that setting the quark masses to zero changes the symmetry structure of the theory. Therefore for some effects there is no smooth limit to mq → 0.

Yes that's what I was thinking also. But they took the approximation as a step towards a discussion about spontaneous symmetry breaking in QCD, so it was very well motivated.
 
In QCD the chiral symmetry breaking results in massless Goldstone bosons (pions) and non-zero quark masses add small explicit symmetry breaking terms; what you get is something like

m_\pi^2 = (m_u + m_d)\frac{M^2}{f_\pi}

where M is related to the quark condensate which acts as order parameter
 

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