Neglecting terms in a Lagrangian

In summary, the Lagrangian given includes terms for fermions u and d, and it is noted that if the masses of these fermions are very small, the last two terms of the Lagrangian can be neglected. This is a common approximation in physics when dealing with small quantities. However, setting the masses to zero can affect the symmetry structure of the theory, which can lead to complications when trying to understand certain effects. This approximation is used as a step towards discussing spontaneous symmetry breaking in QCD, where the chiral symmetry breaking results in massless Goldstone bosons and non-zero quark masses act as small explicit symmetry breaking terms.
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Kyleric
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Say we have a Lagrangian [tex]\mathcal{L}=\bar{u}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Du+\bar{d}i\kern+0.15em /\kern-0.65em Dd-m_u\bar{u}u-m_d\bar{d}d,[/tex]
where u and d are fermions. In Peskin&Schroeder p. 667 it says that if [tex]m_u[/tex] and [tex]m_d[/tex] are very small, we can neglect the last two terms of the Lagrangian.

I'd like to know a somewhat rigorous reason for this.
 
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Ok nevermind, it's just from the Dirac equation.
 
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In physics, quantities which are small compared to others are simply set to zero as an approximation. This is exactly what happens here.
 
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The problem is that setting the quark masses to zero changes the symmetry structure of the theory. Therefore for some effects there is no smooth limit to mq → 0.
 
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Polyrhythmic said:
In physics, quantities which are small compared to others are simply set to zero as an approximation. This is exactly what happens here.

True for numbers, but the components of the Lagrangian are operators.

tom.stoer said:
The problem is that setting the quark masses to zero changes the symmetry structure of the theory. Therefore for some effects there is no smooth limit to mq → 0.

Yes that's what I was thinking also. But they took the approximation as a step towards a discussion about spontaneous symmetry breaking in QCD, so it was very well motivated.
 
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In QCD the chiral symmetry breaking results in massless Goldstone bosons (pions) and non-zero quark masses add small explicit symmetry breaking terms; what you get is something like

[tex]m_\pi^2 = (m_u + m_d)\frac{M^2}{f_\pi}[/tex]

where M is related to the quark condensate which acts as order parameter
 

Related to Neglecting terms in a Lagrangian

1. What does it mean to "neglect terms" in a Lagrangian?

Neglecting terms in a Lagrangian means removing certain terms from the Lagrangian function in a mathematical model. This is often done to simplify the model and make it more manageable to analyze.

2. Why would someone choose to neglect terms in a Lagrangian?

Neglecting terms can make a model easier to solve or analyze, especially if the neglected terms are small or have a negligible impact on the overall results. This can also help to reduce computational complexity.

3. What are the potential consequences of neglecting terms in a Lagrangian?

If important terms are neglected, the resulting model may not accurately reflect the real-world system being studied. This can lead to erroneous conclusions and inaccurate predictions.

4. How do scientists determine which terms to neglect in a Lagrangian?

Deciding which terms to neglect in a Lagrangian is a complex process that involves considering the physical significance of each term, as well as the potential impact on the overall results. Scientists may also rely on approximation techniques and mathematical analysis to guide their decision.

5. Is it always appropriate to neglect terms in a Lagrangian?

No, it is not always appropriate to neglect terms in a Lagrangian. This decision should be carefully considered and justified based on the specific model and the goals of the study. Neglecting important terms can lead to inaccurate results and should be avoided whenever possible.

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